Posted on 02/07/2015 9:10:17 AM PST by rey
And every person entering the country "LEGALLY" has to show proof of vaccinations. The only people entering this country with a chance of spreading these diseases are ILLEGAL aliens.
It seems to have worked just fine until this recent epidemic of people who refuse to get it.
Now the disease is a deadly one. Bull S—t
A lot of people have died from the measles. I am confident that the number is higher than the number of people who died from the vaccine.
From the CDC: In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 4,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.
FWIW, I had a cousin who developed Encephalitis from this disease. It caused severe brain damage. If the vaccine had not been developed it would appear that at least 25,000 children would have died from this disease in the last 50 years.
Are you against Polio vaccines and Smallpox vaccines as well? Don't you wish you could have contracted polio and smallpox when you were a child? You could have gotten out of school.... permanently.
I’ll concede to the smallpox vaccine being a good thing, but not any other. You should research the polio vaccine and the disease. It was a con from the start. If you take the CDC as the experts, then you are a bigger dunce than I thought. They have been proven to make up statistics to further their agenda. FLU VACCVINES AS AN EXAMPLE. Have a good day.
As far as measles I never knew anyone that didn't have them and the only drawback was being quarantined for 2 weeks.
Get the measles and you are immune for life and the vaccination only keeps you from getting them full blown.
Do you doubt the statistics?
None of my kids ever got measles, mumps or chicken pox.
Was it because they were vaccinated or was it just a fluke?
And yet those who say they have the Authority to tell others what has to be injected into their body’s continues yet the logic of such a grievous error is still in plan sight for all to see.
If you were vaccinated how is it you are in anyway threaten from someone who is not??? After all you cannot catch the disease... Or is it the Truth of the subject that vaccinations do not make you immune and you have given your Rights up willfully for a false sense of Security. Now take the same mindset and apply it to the NSA and other government breaches of Authority and data gathering...
Wake Up America Your Rights are under Full Assault. If you wish to take the shot please feel free, But Don’t think yourself superior to others who do not wish to follow blindly.
One other key point people seem to forget, Measles is a virus and as such what are viruses known for? Changing and adapting thus making the old protections mute. So unless we can guarantee a complete and immediate eradication of any virus there is not much that can be done to remove all possibility of a true immunization...
So Freedom of Choice is the Key to this no matter what progressive (busy bodies, we know better than you so we shall force you) mindsets say.
But Measles was on a decline before the vaccine was even used??? Here is one post for Australia, but I have seen the same info recently from the CDC and the US on another post here at FR.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html
This was the other post I had seen which showed a decline well before the vaccine was ever used.
http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/the-truth-about-measles-the-mainstream-media-is-suppressing/
One thing the author of that article fails to point out is that the recent rise in measles cases is directly related to the tendency of people to try to avoid getting the vaccine.
Let’s see the statistic about how many children currently infected have not been vaccinated versus the number who have been. I’m betting that the vast majority of those who have caught this current strand are people who were never vaccinated against it.
We had this disease pretty well eliminated until the hippies and nature freaks all decided that vaccines were more dangerous than the disease. Then we had the influx of illegal aliens who didn’t bother to present their vaccination records at the customs checkpoint.
Agree I would love for that information to be bantered about the media, Wonder why it is not? I also believe it is the Right of the individual and parent to determine which risk they wish to take. As the article pointed out the decrees in deaths was not from the vaccine but rather better medical practices.
Also, I really want to hear how those who wish to force vaccines on others believe they have the Right to do so especially when they are immune to it from the shot already?
I read an earlier post from you and it seams you do support choice or should I say Personal Freedom, but there have been others who believe they know better, busy body types or for a more modern term progressive minds.
It is also the right of the society to determine what risks to said society they are willing to tolerate. Diseases are not necessarily protected by the constitution. There are times when it becomes an imperative to require everyone in said society to join in an effort to eradicate a biological enemy.
Do you believe that the government has a right to require everyone who comes into this country to show proof of vaccination to certain communicable diseases? Or are you OK with just letting anyone in?
> I suggest they read the preamble to the Constitution, from which our rights are derived.
That’s were our rights come from? Really?
> The preamble clearly states that one of the purposes of the Constitution is “to promote the general welfare.” It seems to me that means that the general welfare is more important than individuals.
Wow.
> I believe it was the late Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes who said, “The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins.” I would interpret that to mean that people do not have the right to expose other pupils to measles, because their children are not vaccinated.
If your children are vaccinated then what’s the problem?
The letter writer is an ignorant lunatic.
The government has the Responsibility to Check everyone coming into the Nation but in no way does it have the right to stop a citizen without probable cause and proof that person is committing /committed a crime and the last time I checked Living is not a crime.
Are you aware that if a person bites you or an officer the government cannot force a blood test (think aids)? Well then there goes that Concept they have the ability or Authority to force someone to take a shot. Possibly/arguably it can place a requirement on government building/property where proof may be required before entry but even this is a stretch because of the whole public property/access thing... But remember we are so far from a Constitutional, Small Government of the People that most have trouble grasping the concepts of Freedom (and Responsibility).
By the way do you have an answer to my question? Because the answer to this question solves the problem...
“I really want to hear how those who wish to force vaccines on others believe they have the Right to do so especially when they are immune to it from the shot already?”
Thank you all for making my point.
It would appear that a lot of the children getting measles this time around are infants who are not old enough to get the vaccine.
Does not society have an obligation to make sure that an epidemic does not infect thousands upon thousands of those who are too young to protect themselves?
Do diseases have rights?
Does an unvaccinated individual who has a communicable disease that has not yet developed into symptoms have a constitutional right to go around the country infecting everyone near them?
Should people who have been exposed to Ebola have a constitutional right to free travel, or does the government have a compelling interest in making sure they are quarantined?
You mention the stats before, So please show me the stats you speak of here:
“It would appear that a lot of the children getting measles this time around are infants who are not old enough to get the vaccine.”
(first shots are available at 12 months)
“Does not society have an obligation to make sure that an epidemic does not infect thousands upon thousands of those who are too young to protect themselves?”
epidemic? Really it does not seam to be the case now is it? or is it a epidemic of infants?
Do diseases have rights?
No, but people do!
Does an unvaccinated individual who has a communicable disease that has not yet developed into symptoms have a constitutional right to go around the country infecting everyone near them?
Yes refer you to my prior comment “Are you aware that if a person bites you or an officer the government cannot force a blood test (think aids)? Well then there goes that Concept they have the ability or Authority to force someone to take a shot.”
Should people who have been exposed to Ebola have a constitutional right to free travel, or does the government have a compelling interest in making sure they are quarantined?
Citizens of the US should have been allowed back to treatment facilities as they were, None Citizens should not have been allowed in, see immigration and free travel laws as they are now and have been for years... Again the Government has the responsibility to keep it Out of the Nation. It was / is still a epidemic in several nations an in such ALL travel to and through should have been Stopped for anyone wanting to come into the nation(the Quarantine thing you mention before, and Common Sense).
Now before I continue to answer your Questions answer mine:
““I really want to hear how those who wish to force vaccines on others believe they have the Right to do so especially when they are immune to it from the shot already?””
Note: Where as Measles are but just a disease and one that typically runs its course, but has a small chance of death(worse case scenario). The same argument being made, that which the individual has no choice for their own self or that of their Prosperity is the exact opposite when the Life of the Child is usurped by that of an aborting mother. So if the minor case of forced immunizations has any weight then the case of the life for the unborn has 100 times more a Right to Life...
Life Begins at Conception, for without that moment in time, when Man, Women, and God entwine, No other moment is possible for that individual!
Nor is it an enumerated power.
Which makes a Rubella vaccine a moral imperative.
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