Ukraine: draft dodgers face jail as Kiev struggles to find new fighters

The Guardian ^ | 10 February 2015 | Shaun Walker

[McGruff]

There was a recent story about drafting women.

[Old Sarge]

Wish they’d face jail time HERE...

[dragnet2]

It would be the same here. I am trying to imagine people risking their own lives to keep these people in government in power.

[Drew68]

Wish they’d face jail time HERE...

Volunteer for the military, don't show up, and see what happens.

[baltimorepoet]

I can’t think of a possible reason if I was a Ukrainian for risking my life to fight for one rich, corrupt oligarch against another rich, corrupt oligarch.

Its not like either the West or the Ukrainian oligarchs care one whit for the lives of ordinary Ukrainians. Its just pawns being captured on the chessboard, for those b*st*rds.

[dragnet2]

They aren’t talking about volunteering here.

[dragnet2]

So only about half are going along with their draft?

As some here have suggested, it’s no problem, just send our people to fight for them.

[tcrlaf]

Meanwhile, Ukrainians with MONEY can buy their kid out of Conscription for $2-3,000US, or buy an assingment to the “Kiev-1” parade battalion, like Poro’s kid.

They even sell commissions.

Russia claimed a couple of weeks ago that there are over 1 million men of “military age” now on Visa’s in Russia, and he has extended the amount of time they can stay.

[elhombrelibre]

Could you fight for Putin?

[elhombrelibre]

How many Americans fought for freedom in the War of Independence? How many Americans avoided the Civil War? How many Americans dodged the draft during the Vietnam war? Did you serve in a military branch?

[baltimorepoet]

Could you fight for Putin?

No.
He's one of the "other" corrupt oligarchs I mentioned.

I would fight for an actual sovereign United States that is governed by a Constitution, but in this age of globalist oligarchs that have no loyalty to the US or its Constitution, I'm not sure that leaves much to fight for.

[elhombrelibre]

I understand. Better Hitler than Blum.

[Thunder90]

The problem with this is that you are going to see more Ukrainian soldiers defecting to Russia or to the rebels in the east, and will wind up fighting Ukraine.

[goldstategop]

Not surprising.

Ukrainians don’t want to enlist in the regime’s crusade against their own people.

Its asking them to kill Russian-speaking Ukrainians and there’s widespread apathy.

Kiev can’t win if it pursues Russophobe policies.

No wonder it doesn’t have a viable military option and at the end of the day the only basis to preserve Ukraine is to create a federal state.

That’s after tens of thousands of lives have been wasted for nothing.

[DesertRhino]

You know that the draft ended,,, don’t you?

[Jan_Sobieski]

7 years ago, when I visited Ukraine, I took many candy bars to give out to children when I was to be in a few small villages. I was only able to give out a couple candy bars because the villages are almost bereft of children!?!?

It is going to be very difficult without outside help to man an army. This country is very likely in a demographic death spiral like much of the west.

[McGruff]

How many Americans fought for freedom in the War of Independence?

You know that's all those in Donetsk and Luhansk want right?

[DesertRhino]

Hey, I hope you don’t think those nuts in Donetsk and Luhansk have the right to seize government, and establish an order that pleases them simply because they disagree with a policy.

Hey,,wait just a second,,,

[ansel12]

Russia is a draftee military.

While Russia depends mostly on 1 year draftees, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has led to Ukraine now having to implement a draft to fight them.

Let’s hope that Ukraine survives this invasion and can keep the Russian Army from reaching our NATO borders.

[Rusty0604]

They are throwing a Ukraine journalist in prison for encouraging people to dodge the draft and for calling it a “civil war” instead of an “invasion”.

Ukraine is also considering travel restrictions on its citizens so they can’t leave.

“Transcript of Court Ruling against Ruslan Kotsaba
Ukraine anti-war Journalist”
http://mondbasis.com/kotsaba.html