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The F-14 Tomcats that never were vs F/A-18E/F Super Hornet: who would have won?
The Aviationist ^ | Feb 25 2015 | Dario Leone

Posted on 02/25/2015 9:52:46 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 02/25/2015 9:52:46 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Super Tomcat should be a clean sheet design, not an upgrade.


2 posted on 02/25/2015 9:59:20 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I feel the need, the need for speed ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwNWviK5z0Q


3 posted on 02/25/2015 10:00:01 AM PST by shove_it (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen -- Dennis Prager)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“None of these proposals has been built and we’ll never know if an advanced Tomcat would have been better than the actual Super Hornet,”

What a freaking laugh. The regular Tomcat outclasses the Super Hornet any day of the week.


4 posted on 02/25/2015 10:00:37 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I loved the F-14, but as a child of the 80’s I may be biased by nostalgia!


5 posted on 02/25/2015 10:02:38 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The F-14 Tomcat is the sexiest fighter plane ever.


6 posted on 02/25/2015 10:05:39 AM PST by ryan71 (Bibles, Beans and Bullets)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"and lots of places to put your sippy cup"...

Now that was just straight up FUNNY.


7 posted on 02/25/2015 10:07:12 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Would it have been cheaper to maintain then the E/F? If not then it is a waste of time. The world changed and needs are different.


8 posted on 02/25/2015 10:12:54 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“The Super Tomcat should be a clean sheet design, not an upgrade.”

Buwahahaa! They tried that. A-12.
If they try to clean sheet one again don’t expect it to cost any less than the F-22 or F-35. ‘Clean sheet’ is the same as saying ‘damn expensive’.


9 posted on 02/25/2015 10:14:33 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

The A-12 was supposed to be a replacement for the A-6 Intruder.


10 posted on 02/25/2015 10:16:16 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ryan71

I just had an up close look at both the F-14 and the F-18 at the Yankee air museum in Chino CA this last Sunday. What really struck me is how large the F-18 is.


11 posted on 02/25/2015 10:16:26 AM PST by DAC21
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Tomcat was definitely an engineering marvel, but it looks kind of clunky compared to today’s modern aircraft.


12 posted on 02/25/2015 10:24:40 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I was in Virginia when their Air National Guard gave up their F-106s. The paper interviewed some of the pilots and they all were sorry to see it go.

I remember one described the F-106 as the “Cadillac of Fighters”. I wonder if they just get used to one and hate to see it go.


13 posted on 02/25/2015 10:28:43 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: ryan71
The F-14 Tomcat is the sexiest fighter plane ever.

Hmmmm...if not outright competition for that title, the F-16 fighting Falcon is a very, very close second.


14 posted on 02/25/2015 10:30:46 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

F-14 - Sophia Vergara
F-16 - Selena Gomez


15 posted on 02/25/2015 10:34:47 AM PST by ryan71 (Bibles, Beans and Bullets)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The mini-van on the other hand is a very nice car, complete with DVR’s for the kids, Air Conditioning, power windows, and lots of places to put your sippy cup. It’s a great car—-but it’s still a mini-van.”

You'd think someone who has got to ride in the back of either would prefer the amenities.

16 posted on 02/25/2015 10:36:05 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: smokingfrog

Yea, and the Hog is just plain ugly, in a beautiful sort of way. So what? Both airframes are damn good at their job. It’s sad that the Tomcat never got to see its full potential.

Big beautiful sexy hunk of screaming jet.


17 posted on 02/25/2015 10:43:53 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Oh heck...

I have been hanging around airplanes long enough to get a sense of what they do by watching them fly. The F-18 never has floated by boat let alone the E/F.

Now the F-14D I saw at the Reno Air Races in 91' with the GE Engines, did things I never saw a F-14 do before. And it pains me to say that being the Pratt and Whitney Engine zealot I am :-).

Just my 2 cents, I'd taken any and all the follow-on re-do's of the F-14, and If Cheney didn't kill the A-12, I'd have loved to see a version that wasn't all composite, maybe standard airframe with composite skins like the F-117a and see if it had the payload of the A-6 and Stealth.

Then the Navy would have had something....

18 posted on 02/25/2015 10:44:35 AM PST by taildragger (It's Cruz, Pence, or Walker. Anything else is a Yugo with Racing Stripes....)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Since a regular Tomcat F-14D is already FAR superior to a “Super” Hornet,,,yeah, id say so. Even an original Hornet outruns, and out turns it.

Super Hornet isn’t that hot of a plane. Its main advantages is in bring back ability for expensive precision ordinance, and ease of maintenance. But in the air, its not the Equal of an F-14D. In range and ordinance on target it isn’t as good.

Every advance in Naval Air bombing has gone backwards since the 80s. The A6 was dumped for the 14D, then the 14D to the latest Hornet, and now the Hornet for the F35.
Every single time, range and payload has significantly dropped.
The carrier air wing of today has the lowest capability post WWII in terms of striking distance and payload. Its dramatically lower than even the early 90s.


19 posted on 02/25/2015 10:45:09 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’ve always heard the F-4 Phantom II referred to as the Rhino but never Hornet. Interesting.


20 posted on 02/25/2015 11:01:00 AM PST by Portcall24
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