Are Dolce and Gabbana truly Catholic?

Cruxnow ^ | March 18, 2015 | Fr. Dwight Longnecker

[Mrs. Don-o]

I didn't put this on the Religion Forum because there are decidedly this-worldly things more people ought to look at:

• the dehumanizing impact of artificial reproductive technologies which turn kids into products in a commercial transaction;
• the way IVF paved the way for reproductive concubinage (surrogate mothering), which in turn
• left the door wide open for gay men to order babies for themselves via the babymaking marketplace;
• the way every aspect of both artificial contraception AND artificial reproduction, serves to weaken the procreative mean8ng of sexual union, erode the essential bond between a man and a woman, and splinter children away from natural families.

Discuss?

[ifinnegan]

“Singer Elton John, who used IVF technology to get two sons with his partner David Furnish...”

That’s not possible. Written poorly.

[molson209]

Never ever heard of these 2 until Elton John ,LOL

[DJ MacWoW]

I thought it was an excellent article that followed through with conclusions that explained why things that look good can, indeed, hurt us as a society.

[Dr. Ursus]

John should have gotten a couple of purse dogs!

[kosciusko51]

One of the greatest shortcomings in the last century is that we accelerated the creation of technology without the morality to properly control it. While true with IVF and other artificial reproductive technologies, it is not limited to these tech issues. How to use the tech was done with an utilitarian approach instead of a moral approach.

Essentially, while man’s technology increased, he did not become any wiser.

On a personal note, good to see you back on the forum.

[NorthMountain]

“We oppose gay adoptions. The only family is the traditional one. No chemical offsprings and rented uterus: life has a natural flow, there are things that should not be changed.” Domenico Dolce added, “You are born to a mother and a father — or at least that’s how it should be. I call the children of chemistry, synthetic children. Rented uterus, semen chosen from a catalog.”

Queers they may be, but they have this very right. I would caveat, though that the crime is committed by the adults, not the children. People may use reprehensible means to procreate children (fornication comes to mind, along with the misuses of technology referenced in the article ...), and are responsible for their sins. Calling the children artificial, though, is no more helpful than calling them bastards.

[NorthMountain]

John should repent and turn his life over to Jesus Christ. He and his “partner” are committed to a relationship defined by particularly foul offenses against nature and nature’s God.

[Alex Murphy]

“Singer Elton John, who used IVF technology to get two sons with his partner David Furnish...”

That’s not possible. Written poorly.

It'd be an interesting trick if they were able to pull it off :)

[Mrs. Don-o]

Exactly. Neither we nor the poor boys will probably ever know who their generic mothers are nor who their gestational mothers are (could be two different women for each boy, one for the egg and one for the womb.)

This splits a personal relationship (mother and child) into a set a separate "roles." What used to be sacred interpersonal bond is now just a matter of a monetized female function for sale or rent.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Nor had I. Pricey Italian fashion moguls have never been of particular interest to me.

It's encouraging that even two very rich gay guys at least can see that the man-woman union is part of the natural flow, and that babies have a right to their mothers.

Maybe they will "get" that their own lifestyle has contributed to the fracturing of the natural "Tao".

[Mrs. Don-o]

Odd that some people object to GMO soybeans but are OK with the total monetization of sexual/reproductive capacities and the manipulation of living human embryos.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I've got to agree. Or didn't Elton John think that would be fabulous enough?

[DJ MacWoW]

It is odd. They should apply the same standards to all of life. However many of us choose convenience over what’s right. I can be just as guilty of not thinking it through.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you--- it's good to be back. I'm slow, but physically and mentally rebuilding. Quite a memento mori.

[Dr. Ursus]

Funny!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Iive got to agree with you. Their use of a term like "synthetic children" makes it wound like they're degrading the children, when in fact they object to the gay-baby-IVF market because the manufacture/market process itself degrades the children.

They should have been careful to frame their argument in terms of the children's rights and the children's dignity.

"Begotten, not made."

[ifinnegan]

“It’d be an interesting trick if they were able to pull it off :)”

Yeah. That would be the greatest scientific achievement in history.

[married21]

Elton John was quoted in an article awhile back saying that he regrets that his child (he had just the one at the time, I guess) would never have a mother. It’s more important than he realized.

Of course, he went and did this to another kid after he said it. And now he is knocking D&G when he knows they are right.

I guess his pangs of conscience were short-lived, or weak.

[ClearBlueSky]

I don’t care if they’re Catholic, cannibals or aliens in this case these two intrinsically disordered men are RIGHT!