Posted on 03/31/2015 2:13:21 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
My layman interpretation of this is slightly different. I think that giving things literally is not what it totally means. Hungering and thirsting for righteousness are spiritual, not so literal. When we give others God’s Word when needed it fills their hunger and thirsts for righteousness which changes their lives to give all to God! Being BOLD in The Word is what gift we need to give.
That being said, our pastor said something that I have thought many times since 09/11/2001. WHY are Christians not as bold as ISIS? He said, I’m sort of jealous of ISIS, if you will allow that use of jealousy. They are recruiting evil boldly and sending it throughout the world. Think if we got uncomfortable and recruited so boldly for our triune God!!! Sad, as our excellent Bible Study is usually attended by 20 people in a congregation of nearly 300....
No wonder pastors want us to be uncomfortable!
Christ is fully human as well as fully divine. We may never fully comprehend the Trinity, but that does not make it any less true. I would not expect to completely the level of being and interaction of the Godhead. I can only stand in awe and worship that this was done on my behalf. And that is exactly what we are called to do
We likewise must be subordinate to God and do our best to confess our transgressions and following the example of Christ, and in all things glorify God.
Our works do not save us.
The Trinity is a manmade doctrine. It’s unbiblical.
You didn’t come to that conclusion yourself by reading the Bible. Somebody taught you it and it’s a reliable crutch.
Which part of Heavenly Father is Jesus?
Keep in mind that Jesus ascended bodily into Heaven and no one has ever searched for his burial site, ever. So Jesus never shed his body per the Bible. He can be part of the Godhead, but how can he be part of God?
The greatest failing of the Reformers was not recognizing all of Catholicism’s errors. They swallowed the Trinity hook, line and stinker.
The reformed writers of the Westminster Confession of Faith wrote this summary of God (scripture footnotes at the source):
Chapter II
Of God, and of the Holy Trinity
I. There is but one only, living, and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible,> without body, parts, or passions; immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute; working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will, for His own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him; and withal, most just, and terrible in His judgments, hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty.
II. God has all life, glory, goodness, blessedness, in and of Himself; and is alone in and unto Himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creatures which He has made, nor deriving any glory from them, but only manifesting His own glory in, by, unto, and upon them. He is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things; and has most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for them, or upon them whatsoever Himself pleases. In His sight all things are open and manifest, His knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature, so as nothing is to Him contingent, or uncertain. He is most holy in all His counsels, in all His works, and in all His commands. To Him is due from angels and men, and every other creature, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience He is pleased to require of them.
III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.
1010RD, I ask you which parts of this do you disagree with, and where in the Bible do you find disagreement with them. Thank you.
In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God. And the Word was God....John 1:1
A-Men.
It is always useful to remember that this story ends well . . .
Rejoice! He is risen.
Thanks for the BEEP!
Touche”. That’s why I only give cash to political figures themselves and to charities (not some hired advertising agency”. You DID get my point, I take it.
“My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?”
How many true believers have not, thought this, from time to time.?
When faith, love, or desires have been/were BEING stretched?..
OR when “things” don’t go the ways we would have preferred at a minimum?..
Many times I have asked... “Whats up with THAT God?”..
When confronted with crazy, bazaar, or “just wrong” things..
Just blaming “stuff” on the devil gets old.. threadbare..
When usually it’s something I should have done, DID, or should NOT have done.. at fault..
And at other times the “event” had nothing to do with me at all..
To date I get suspicious of anyone that trys to read Gods mind..
LIKE; God did, this or that, for some reason known to the mind reader..
Many times backed up by some verse of scripture..
I know, I’m guilty of that, as well..
To wit; If something happens, it’s possible.. God had nothing at all to do with it..
**interlude: https://www.dropbox.com/s/56bn4hf24448pxa/TLP.avi?dl=0
James 2: 14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Luke 3: 11John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”
I don't see how that can apply to sharing the Word, as you can give that away and it doesn't cost you anything. You still have it.
Which is why the spiritualizing of the command is often so popular. Someone who already has two houses can buy a third without feeling guilty when some of his brothers have nowhere to sleep.
I have always disagreed with this theological take on Jesus quoting Ps 22 on the cross.
Jesus is shouting notice from the cross that he is the fulfillment of that great prophecy. He is calling on them simply to look, think, read, consider.
And, as the Psalm itself says, God does NOT turn away from him.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! 24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help
In fact, the Psalm declares HIM victorious. It's Friday but Sunday's Coming:
30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. 31 They will proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn-- for he has done it.
VICTORY IN JESUS! RESURRECTION! DEATH IS CONQUERED.
HE HAS DONE IT!!!
Thy Will be Done.
I think it's important to remember what is meant by Him fulfilling the prophecies. The prophets foretold what He would do, these things would happen even if the prophets hadn't recorded them. I think some of us at times adopt the attitude that He was crossing off tasks on a checklist, but He wasn't, He was fulfilling what He and His Father had known from the beginning. (In reading over this, I hope I've gotten my intended point across. It's not meant to be inflammatory or spark any Protestant v. Catholic debate or anything.)
Define God, god and the Word. Then we can speak objectively about the Trinity.
Thanks for your question, K51. The entire Westminster Confession of Faith violates Exodus 3:13-15.
No man is allowed to define God. Here's what God has to say about himself:
Moses said to God, "When I come to the Israelites and say to them 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?" And God said to Moses, "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh." He continued, "Ehyeh sent me to you.'" And God said further to Moses, "Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you:
This shall be my name forever, This My appellation for all eternity.
"Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" is a phrase consisting of the relative pronoun "asher" set between two instances of the first person singular imperfect of the verb hayah--to be. "Ehyeh" is most commonly translated as "I will be." Asher is an unusual and subtle Hebrew word. It's a single word that can mean "who", "which", "where" or "that." So the phrase could mean:
I will be who I will be
I will be which I will be
I will be where I will be
I will be that I will be
Show me in the Bible:
1. Where God allows men to define him. and
2. Where the Trinity is declared as a saving doctrine.
There's no reason to believe or accept the Trinity. Actually, to the contrary, the Bible argues against the Trinitarian view.
The WCF does no such thing. The entire section is a set of quotes from the scripture, which God uses to describe Himself to us. In fact, all of scripture is God revealing Himself to us. There is no scripture that says we cannot define the attributes of God, which is what the WCF does.
As for your quote, Jesus used the same name for Himself when he said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.”
Finally, Jesus told His disciples, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Note that “name” is singular.
So, the Bible clearly teaches that there is only one true God, which Jesus’ Jewish disciples would know, but it also teaches that God is in three persons, as the verse above shows. Yes, the Bible does not have the word Trinity in it, but what it expresses can be summarized by the word Trinity.
Finally, I have shown you why I believe in the Trinity. I ask what you have read that makes you doubt it.
But you just said that we cannot define God. Which is it?
Sorry, would have included you on the post.
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