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Gap remains in video record of fatal SC police shooting
Associated Press ^ | Apr 11, 2015 12:05 AM EDT | Jeffrey Collins and Michael Biesecker

Posted on 04/10/2015 10:12:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: ctdonath2

With witnesses to the effect that there was a struggle on the ground and a good Lawyer telling the jury that adrenaline clouded the officers judgement, it will go down as manslaughter. I don’t necessarily disagree. Sharpton might as well get a headstart start on the riots.


41 posted on 04/11/2015 4:56:49 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Reverend Wright

What you list here is all in the escalation of the incident. It started out as a traffic stop. What was he being arrested for, now? Child support? He was in the act of fleeing when he was killed. I’m of the opinion that only violent people should be arrested. How is someone going to pay child support if they’re in jail?


42 posted on 04/11/2015 4:58:44 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: Reverend Wright
In the dash cam video, the officer yells, "taser, taser, taser." That is a programmed training response when employing the taser, so it is reasonable to expect that the taser is out and had been fired. Firing a taser at a moving target is way less than a 100% effective weapon. It is unfortunate that the videos don't show what exactly happened between the taser employment and the shots fired.

There was another dashcam video released today that shows another police car arriving at the scene. It doesn't show much, but does give perspective of where the stop was in relation to the shooting. A fairly small area, it wasn't much of a chase.

43 posted on 04/11/2015 5:01:51 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: pepsionice
I was looking at the picture of the Mercedes. It’s a used car....probably five to six years old...decked out with the ‘rims’. Looks in good condition...

The first think I noticed about the Merecedes is that both brake lights seemed to work fine.

44 posted on 04/11/2015 5:05:00 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Sirius Lee

“So the solution is to start launching bullets in the direction of those retail businesses? Take out a shopper with a stray bullet or two?”

i agree it’s a risk. but if you let him get into the parking, and then try to stop him when he carjacks a family in their car, that’s more risky.

“A seminal 1985 Supreme Court case, Tennessee vs. Garner, held that the police may not shoot at a fleeing person unless the officer reasonably believes that the individual poses a significant physical danger to the officer or others in the community.”

so that’s what the standard is. i read a lot of lawyers blogs and comment sites yesterday, and it was divided. some quite liberal ones argued that juries give wide latitude to police and they could easily see an acquittal. others said no way.


45 posted on 04/11/2015 5:06:27 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Go Nigel !)
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To: Reverend Wright

Sounds like you’re trying to defend the indefensible....


46 posted on 04/11/2015 5:13:04 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: Paladin2
Still no excuse for a 33 yr old to shoot a 50 yr old while trying to escape vs running him down

Yep - these days it seems as if some cops shoot perps for the "convenience" of it rather than a real need.

Too many cops seem to not be mentally fit enough for the job - they exhibit a thug's "don't you dare dis me" mentality and do not belong in a profession where deadly force is sometimes needed. Those types will want to "earn their stripes" by killing someone and many are sadists who have trouble holding themselves in check.

Just as battered women gravitate to social actions type jobs, thugs who want to hurt people gravitate towards cop jobs.

47 posted on 04/11/2015 5:13:39 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: 21twelve

i posted a picture of a police taser in 24. there are two models, that’s the small one. i agree that that thing that went behind his feet looked smaller than that.

i agree about moving stuff around at a crime scene. however, if there’s one officer at a crime scene, and he leaves a pistol or a taser far away from the gunshot victim... is that better or worse...

the witnesses to the struggle on the ground is really important to Slager, as the more they can portray Scott as acting really violent and dangerous, the easier it will be to argue that Scott posed a significant physical danger to the officer or others.

the grab for the taser helps too. shows he was willing to commit a violent assault in order to steal weapons.

one other strange thing about this case, Scott was tasered twice and it had absolutely no effect. his toxicology report may prove interesting.


48 posted on 04/11/2015 5:28:21 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Go Nigel !)
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To: virgil

i’m not a lawyer, but a i understand the law, it’s his propensity to commit series physical harm, not the reason for the traffic stop that matters.


49 posted on 04/11/2015 5:39:44 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Go Nigel !)
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To: DoodleDawg

im not a lawyer, but i read a lot of law blogs yesterday. and some quite liberal lawyers made the argument that juries allow wide latitude to police officers on deadly force issues. (they’re liberal so they didn’t like it).

the standard is serious risk of physical harm. and they are going to try to portray
Scott as posing that risk.


50 posted on 04/11/2015 5:48:38 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Go Nigel !)
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To: matt04

Oh of COURSE they do! Yeah, we all believe that too.


51 posted on 04/11/2015 6:02:21 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: Vendome

I am thinking 2nd degree murder. I took a look at SC laws, to me it looked like that might be it.


52 posted on 04/11/2015 6:03:46 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: sargon

Oh, should have waited and read your post. I just said the same thing. Oh how smart you are, you agree with me!!!! LOL


53 posted on 04/11/2015 6:04:27 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: raybbr

i want Slager to have due process and i want his case to be decided on the facts and the law, not on mob opinion.

i refuse to accept nonsense like the “planted’ taser, when anyone who looks at that video can see it’s not a taser. we’re at the point where Slager is judged to be so evil and wicked that he must be found guilty regardless of the facts.

well maybe on Free Republic some have bought into the idea that:

If the narrative is right, the facts don’t matter.

but i’m not up for that.


54 posted on 04/11/2015 6:05:45 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Go Nigel !)
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To: Reverend Wright; P-Marlowe

Not only do I think it looks like a taser, it also looks like he walked up and screamed for the unconscious/dead man to put his hands behind his back, several times, quite loudly. You know, for theater.


55 posted on 04/11/2015 6:06:16 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: Reverend Wright

Wow, that is SUCH a stretch!! You forgot to add that Slager believed that Scott was running to get a gun hidden in a tree and he had to stop him before he reached a tree. Or he was running off to rob a bank, so he was really shooting at a bank robber.


56 posted on 04/11/2015 6:08:34 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: Reverend Wright

wow, I didn’t know you knew what was in Slager’s mind!! You are astounding! Can you tell what’s in my mind right now? Umm hmmm.


57 posted on 04/11/2015 6:10:07 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: Reverend Wright

Sad to burst your bubble ,but the taser wires show up as Scott starts to run and then they disconnect and fall to the ground, as the taser has as well. It’s in that video. And this happened in front of your friend and fellow, Slager, the one you know what he’s thinking, and what he knows and doesn’t know.
So don’t tell me that he doesn’t know Scott doesn’t have the taser. It’s right in front of him too, within his peripheral vision. He doesn’t look around, he goes right back to it, picks it up and carries it over to the body.


58 posted on 04/11/2015 6:13:29 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: antidisestablishment

Ask Reverend Wright. He knows what Slager was thinking! He’s got an inside track on this.


59 posted on 04/11/2015 6:15:28 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: DoodleDawg

“if Slager is planting evidence, what about fingerprints?
If he wasn’t planting evidence then why take the trouble to retrieve it and drop it by the body?”

but what is the “it”? anyone who looks at that video can see it’s not a taser.

FWIW i think it’s sunglasses, and i think they were Scott’s and he dropped them during the fight, and Slager picked them up when he retrieved the taser (but you can’t see, trees are blocking.


60 posted on 04/11/2015 6:15:36 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Go Nigel !)
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