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Shirt printer that wouldn’t make gay pride shirts vindicated by court
Washington Post ^ | April 28 at 1:53 AM | By Justin Wm. Moyer

Posted on 04/28/2015 6:51:29 AM PDT by 11th_VA

The day before the Supreme Court hears oral arguments in a historic same-sex marriage case, a Kentucky court has ruled that a Christian T-shirt company has the right not to print gay pride festival shirts.

Hands on Originals (HOO), a Christian T-shirt company in Lexington, Ky., was asked to print shirts by Gay and Lesbian Services Organization (GLSO) for a 2012 pride festival. When the company turned down the order, the GLSO filed a complaint with the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission. Though the commission found in favor of the GLSO, Judge James D. Ishmael of the Fayette Circuit Court reversed the ruling.

“This Court does not fault the Commission in its interest in insuring citizens have equal access to services but that is not what this case is all about,” Ishmael wrote. Ishmael made a distinction between a company choosing not to print a T-shirt because of the sexual orientation of a potential customer and choosing not to print a T-shirt because of its message.

The owners of the company “are Christians who believe that the Holy Bible is the inspired Word of God and that they should strive to live consistently with its teachings,” the opinion read. As the company’s Web site states: “It is the prerogative of Hands On Originals to refuse any order that would endorse positions that conflict with the convictions of the ownership.”

“It is clear beyond dispute that HOO and its owners declined to print the t-shirts in question because of the MESSAGE advocating sexual activity outside of a marriage between one man and one woman,” he wrote. “The well established Constitutional rights of HOO and its owners on this issue is well settled.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Indiana; US: Kentucky; US: Texas
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1 posted on 04/28/2015 6:51:29 AM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

Still can’t understand why sexual deviance has somehow become a “civil right”


2 posted on 04/28/2015 6:54:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: 11th_VA
The courts seem to still be protecting speech.

The court has declared that money is speech.

Can we get them to declare that cakes, wedding photos, etc. are also speech?

3 posted on 04/28/2015 6:54:53 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 11th_VA

It is sad that freedom of speech seems to be the legal theory upon which people are winning these cases and will probably the best tool from here on out. They courts are looking for any way to avoid acknowledging the right to free exercise of religion when it conflicts with the homo privileges and memes.


4 posted on 04/28/2015 6:55:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
The courts seem to still be protecting speech.

The court has declared that money is speech.

Can we get them to declare that cakes, wedding photos, etc. are also speech?

I believe the Court has also said that pornography and nude dancing are "free speech."

5 posted on 04/28/2015 6:56:57 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
"Can we get them to declare that cakes, wedding photos, etc. are also speech?"

I think there is a VERY strong legal argument for that position. Overwhelming in fact.

6 posted on 04/28/2015 6:57:37 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: BenLurkin

Don’t fall for the “cover” issue.
If it wasn’t this, it would be something else.

This is merely the issue that they’ve found Christians to be resistant on,

and they will criminalize that resistance.

The goal being to criminalize Christianity.


7 posted on 04/28/2015 6:57:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Steely Tom
So I can refuse to dance nude at a gay wedding?

Whew! That's a load off my mind.

8 posted on 04/28/2015 6:58:23 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 11th_VA

***The owners of the company “are Christians who believe that the Holy Bible is the inspired Word of God and that they should strive to live consistently with its teachings,” the opinion read. As the company’s Web site states: “It is the prerogative of Hands On Originals to refuse any order that would endorse positions that conflict with the convictions of the ownership.” ***

The Holy Bible is God’s inestimable gift to man, as the rule and guide of our faith....


9 posted on 04/28/2015 6:58:25 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 11th_VA
Unfortunately, the LGBT community is embedded in our culture.

We can see ... we know ... they're just waiting .... except the ones that are (all too many, IMO) in our public school systems.

Yeah ... I know ... get cher' kids out of public schools

Not an option to the greater percentage of people

10 posted on 04/28/2015 6:58:55 AM PDT by knarf
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To: 11th_VA
I just can't help but thinking that just the smallest amount of extra-legal activity would bring all this to and end.

I guess that's just the ol' Devil whispering in my ear. :O

11 posted on 04/28/2015 6:59:58 AM PDT by The Duke (Azealia Banks)
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To: MrB
I wonder why no one is going back to the original language of the "public accommodations" legislation that ultimately resulted in this nonsense.

There were discussion in congress when the laws passed that it would only apply to core public accommodations such as food, housing, transportation, etc.

The only religious acts that have been banned are ones that are harmful to others such as the misuse of drugs, animal sacrifice, etc. One baker refusing to bake a wedding cake does not constitute a harmful act nor is it the denial of a core public accommodation.

12 posted on 04/28/2015 7:02:05 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: The Duke
that's just the ol' Devil whispering in my ear.

He must be whispering pretty loudly because I hear it too.

13 posted on 04/28/2015 7:03:20 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: 11th_VA

The lefties have been trying to force Nelson County into forming one of their Gestapo like “human right commissions”.

Unfortunately the local paper (Kentucky Standard) is a leftist rag that makes opposition to the commission sound like troglodytes who beat up homosexuals in back alleys.

The most recent attempt failed & you should have heard the caterwauling.

But what is of note is that a rural Kentucky county of 50,000 people with a strong Catholic heritage is giving in to the gay gestapo a little at a time. The local government is still advancing the gay agenda one little regulation at a time.


14 posted on 04/28/2015 7:03:50 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: 11th_VA

In a free country, business owners should be free to refuse service for any reason. I understand that may mean a homosexual may some day refuse to do business with me for my Christian views, but that is how free people live. We are well past the time where “public accommodation” rules need to be rolled back. I’m not talking about government services of course. The government is specifically prohibited from discriminating on certain factors.


15 posted on 04/28/2015 7:04:32 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; All
The courts seem to still be protecting speech.

In some ways No...

You can't get fired for myriad of things these days EOE, etc etc, but you can be fired for your Politics.

Why can't any entrepreneur refuse to engage in Commerce on the grounds they don't believe in the Politics of X-Y-Z movement?

I wonder what Freeper Legal Eagles think of this defense.

If it is legit, the progressives may have opened up a can of rotten fish they never wished they would have opened...

16 posted on 04/28/2015 7:04:33 AM PDT by taildragger (It's Cruz, Pence, or Walker. Anything else is a Yugo with Racing Stripes....)
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To: BenLurkin
Because you're an American


I'm working on an essay .... my thought/draft;


Subject: homosexuality is unConstitutional

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

There is NOTHING I've encountered with the homosexual community in the last two weeks that can be identified with;

a more perfect union,
establishment of justice,
domestic tranquility,
common defense,
general welfare,
and most importantly to

secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity

Homosexuals cannot reproduce so they cannot be a perticipant in securing blessings because they produce no posterity

Because they cannot reproduce, They are a culture of death, no different than islam.

They are selfish so they cannot be part of a general welfare,

They endeavor to disengage themselves so they cannot be a participant in domestic tranquility,

They seek no justice but rather special entreaty,

Homosexuality is unConstitutional and not American

They are aliens unwilling to assimulate to a pre-existing, well operating culture

They seek discord amongst the peaceful

Homosexuality is a death cult


(and with the 24/7/wall-to-wall Baltimore .... it wouldn't take too much rewording to apply this THERE)

(Comments, critiques and flames welcome .... I'm an equal opportunity offender)

17 posted on 04/28/2015 7:05:12 AM PDT by knarf
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To: 11th_VA

People should read the ignorant comments on that website. Most think that because someone practices an abomination to God - that Christians freedom of speech should be curtailed and they be made to fall in line with their gay agenda. They are so warped in their so-called tolerance. Gay marriage isn’t equal to blacks - a black was born black - and usually, unless these facists thrust their despicable life style in other’s faces - people don’t know they are gay.


18 posted on 04/28/2015 7:08:00 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: 11th_VA

People should read the ignorant comments on that website. Most think that because someone practices an abomination to God - that Christians freedom of speech should be curtailed and they be made to fall in line with their gay agenda. They are so warped in their so-called tolerance. Gay marriage isn’t equal to blacks - a black was born black - and usually, unless these facists thrust their despicable life style in other’s faces - people don’t know they are gay.


19 posted on 04/28/2015 7:08:02 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: 11th_VA

Dissolve these unconstitutional Human Rights Commissions. They’re simply tools for tyranny. We already have a human rights commission enshrined in the Constitution. Go to the courts with your complaints. We need to raise the bar, not lower it.


20 posted on 04/28/2015 7:08:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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