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Snowden just scored a big victory
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Posted on 05/16/2015 5:00:54 PM PDT by Paid_Russian_Troll

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To: DoughtyOne

The federal government and our nation are two entirely different entities. Snowden did nothing to hurt our nation.


61 posted on 05/16/2015 7:04:33 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Who are the overseas men and women helping when they are overthrowing governments so alqeada types can take over?


62 posted on 05/16/2015 7:11:23 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Amen, Norm! If America survives Edward Snowden will go down in history as a hero! And he should!


63 posted on 05/16/2015 7:35:11 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (I'm very sad for my country. Personally, I've never been happier.)
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To: Nifster
The fact that the court ruled that the NSA had over stepped and acted illegally

How many were prosecuted and went to federal prison for this blatant betrayal of criminal activity?

64 posted on 05/16/2015 8:01:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Way to go Norm. I don’t care if it’s the State Dept., the IRS or the NSA: once they start lying to us they should be held responsible, and they are not being held responsible.

Snowden held their feet to the fire. Singlehandedly he’s done a lot more than the Democrats’(disturbingly) more-than-loyal opposition.

The GOP establishment and it’s resident FR sycophants can go to he//.


65 posted on 05/16/2015 8:41:55 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: McGruff
So when the next 9/11 happens we won’t be able to trace the terrorist’s phone calls?

Of course. Trampling Constitutional protections, such as the outdated Fourth Amendment, is the ONLY way to save us from the terrorists.

We can't ever hope to effectively fight terrorism until we eliminate all these troublesome unalienable rights.

Totalitarianism, while not particularly desirable, is the only practical solution to the terrorism problem. I think it was Ben Franklin who said that. </sarc>

66 posted on 05/16/2015 8:58:23 PM PDT by sargon
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To: dragnet2

You don’t understand the court system either


67 posted on 05/16/2015 9:00:35 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: freedomfiter2

Snowden revealed the name of our assets overseas.

If you don’t think that hurt our nation, you really can’t grasp these issue.

I liken it to when Jimmy Carter and the Democrats decided to clean up the CIA in the 70s. Just before the Iran hostage crisis he and the Democrats on Capital Hill eviscerated the CIA, and in particular the ones in Iran.

Then when we had the hostage crisis, ole’ Jimmy had not assets on the ground in Iran.

Just because we have a problem with the NSA or the CIA, we can’t just give Congress, President, or some nut-job citizen the power to damage our necessary assets.


68 posted on 05/16/2015 9:03:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: freedomfiter2

You think we only have assets in Libay, Syria, and perhaps Iraq? Really?


69 posted on 05/16/2015 9:04:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: DoughtyOne

I absolutely agree.....

I won’t give Snowden any credit....none.

It’s not like this wasn’t known...it was...he just happened to get the Guardian Journalist to get the brownie points for covering/revealing HIS discovery.

Without the press Snowden wouldn’t have gotten to first base.


70 posted on 05/16/2015 9:11:14 PM PDT by caww
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To: DoughtyOne

If NSA is disbanded, as some on this forum seem to want to see happen, who would keep an ear on the various bad guys in southwest Asia and the Middle East, or Russian armored divisions, the Russian Air and Naval Fleets? And what about China? North Korea? Drug traffickers? Some on this forum seem to think that the Agency has dropped its coverage of real targets and are now covering Big Pharm or Big Insurance.


71 posted on 05/16/2015 9:14:09 PM PDT by Ax ("You'll Never Walk Alone" (LFC))
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To: caww

I find myself having a hard time giving him credit.

Verifying our suspicions was reasoned. Beyond that, he really screwed up.

Some of the things that took place were harmful to the U. S.

Thanks CAWW.


72 posted on 05/16/2015 9:23:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: Paid_Russian_Troll

Good job!


73 posted on 05/16/2015 9:30:35 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Ax
There are several things that really disturb me about the NSA.

I don't advocate it be disbanded. I advocate it be cleaned up.<

1. We have tens of thousand of employees in the NSA. Estimates on WikiPedia are between 30 and 40,000 employees, although it is classified. employee estimate / right column

Out of all these employees working full time to collect data, they couldn't uncover a thing about the 09/11 plot. Then can find out all they want about you and I.

2. They don't seem to understand who to bug. It seems to me foreign nationals from known terrorist nations would be fair game. They're not U. S. Citizens. They are clearly the biggest threat. So why not focus on them? That would make it a lot easier to catch them. Imagine not being able to tell that a number of them were taking flight school. There was no reason for them to do that here on education visas. Those visas cover people in college. A flight school would be an oddity. Wouldn't you think it was worth checking out? 3. The leadership thought nothing of recording our phone calls. The NSA's mandate is generally thought to be overseas. I believe a case could be made to keep tabs on foreign nationals here, but our citizens? Like you said, we need to listen to communications around the world. I'm not against the NSA. Some heads should certainly roll though. This was such an obvious breach of it's mandate, that I can't believe what was done didn't break some criminal codes.

74 posted on 05/16/2015 9:34:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: tumblindice

Just remember. The two biggest GOP sycophants on this thread screamed bloody murder how we HAD to vote GOP “No matter what” over Mitt, Jonbon and Mitch.

It’s a pattern folks.


75 posted on 05/16/2015 9:47:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: tumblindice

Oops, correction. I got my GOP sycophants mixed up. One of them was on another thread I was posting on along side this one. Still making excuses for Romney and projecting as usual.

But we had their leader, if only for a brief moment, right on this thread ;)


76 posted on 05/16/2015 9:55:47 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Snowden is a mixed bag. He’s done some good, but I find him fleeing to Russia, of all places, questionable. And I bet you dollars to donuts that Snowden is some type of leftist or libertarian — certainly not one of us.

He found a place that made it easier for him to stay alive and harder for his own government to kill him and "keep it clean".

77 posted on 05/17/2015 4:31:42 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

So Norm, it is leftist to point out that:

This man gave US data collection Methods and Means, as well as names of people assigned to various project teams to the Russians, to the Chinese, and to who knows who else?

That because of his actions, the US became effectively blind to threats as data collection Methods and Means built up since WWII were compromised?

That 90 plus percent of what he stole was unrelated to collection of telephone records et al?

The whole affair was carefully orchestrated to raise a storm about personal privacy to be propagated by the complicit media that would obscure the truth of what he actually stole under the direction of his handlers ... and the “FR right” fell for it. It seems that that to some so-called personal privacy of called phone numbers outweighs national security.

This man should be shot on sight, not crucified.


78 posted on 05/17/2015 4:45:16 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: DoughtyOne

If the NSA or CIA don’t operate under the supervision of Congress and the President, they need to be disbanded.


79 posted on 05/17/2015 6:32:41 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s not quite so black and white as you seem to want it to be.

Exposing what was being done inside our borders to US citizens? Good work, Ed.

Exposing what was going on outside of our borders with intelligence gathering? Is that not aiding and abetting our enemies?


80 posted on 05/17/2015 6:41:15 AM PDT by dmz
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