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One Marine killed, 21 others hospitalized after Osprey aircraft's hard landing in Hawaii
Fox News ^ | May 18, 2015 | Derrick Perkins

Posted on 05/18/2015 7:56:56 PM PDT by Rabin

One Marine was killed and 21 others were hospitalized Sunday after an Osprey... had a "hard-landing mishap" at approximately 11:40 a.m. local time.

Built by Boeing Co. and Bell, a unit of Textron Inc., the Osprey program was nearly scrapped after a history of mechanical failures and two test crashes that killed 23 Marines in 2000.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: aerospace; marine; moreoldnews; mv22; osprey
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Quad rotor VTOL.”

No, it only has two “rotors” which translate from vertical to horizontal out on the ends of a couple of stubby wings.


21 posted on 05/19/2015 12:09:29 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Rabin

I want to know what a “test crash” is!


22 posted on 05/19/2015 12:20:58 AM PDT by Antoninus II
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To: vette6387

I know. mine was a suggsstion for quad vtol minijets.


23 posted on 05/19/2015 12:40:36 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: pfflier
People forget how difficult aircraft are to be completely sure that they are safe and ready for operational use. I remember the problems with the CH-46 when it was first introduced: tearing the rear portion of the aircraft off just ahead of the rear pylon, usually during landings.

We lost a lot of our people during that phase in 1968 - almost lost me. I was off duty for the evening while I was with HMMT-302 in Tustin California and a fellow Marine came into the Ready Room and asked I could take his Crew Chief duty for night training. I couldn't because I had promised my fiancée that I would be in Burbank that evening.

During that flight, the rear end came off that '46 at 5,000 feet above Black Star Mountain and that crew chief was thrown out of the plane. It took a while to find his body.

We lost 11 dead in two months of training until they finally reinforced the 410 joint.

One student pilot survived the crash, thanks to the heroism of a local rancher who pulled him from the fire. That pilot slowly recovered and his helmet - crushed like an eggshell - was on display for some reason. He had the shakes really bad but resumed training and after 6 more months, he deployed to Vietnam.

He was killed about one month after he got there.

24 posted on 05/19/2015 3:54:50 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I wondered the same...


25 posted on 05/19/2015 4:18:16 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: Rabin

Donald Rumsfeld wanted the Ospreys gone from service.


26 posted on 05/19/2015 4:39:25 AM PDT by Does so (SCOTUS Newbies Will Imperil America...)
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To: txhurl

this Blackhawk is the only one i found

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/military/2015/03/11/military-helicopter-crashes-in-florida-panhandle/70136348/


27 posted on 05/19/2015 4:53:25 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Does so
I believe you are mistaken...it was Dick Cheney!!
28 posted on 05/19/2015 4:54:10 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Secret Agent Man
I know. mine was a suggsstion for quad vtol minijets.

Fanjet engines are not practical for an Osprey-type aircraft because of the high thrust engines required and the subsequent high exhaust velocities. Also, for maneuverability, fanjets are much less responsive to quick changes in thrust commands than variable pitch rotor blades are.

The Osprey already has a high blade disc loading compared most helicopters and the increased downwash velocity is a problem. A jet engine would have 10x more downwash concentrated in a smaller column of air.

Then there is the issue of the hot exhaust melting tarmac. This is already a problem for the Osprey and the F-35B.

29 posted on 05/19/2015 6:22:57 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Chainmail

Some forget, some are just ignorant and put their ignorance on full display.

RIP to your fellow Marines...and thanks for some really good insight on the hazards of military service.


30 posted on 05/19/2015 6:32:42 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: M-cubed

Not the same as ground effect. Vortex ring can occur at altitude.


31 posted on 05/19/2015 8:52:14 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Chainmail
I remember someone else also posting the same information about the frog accidents.

Most in the general public do not realize that any aircraft has growing pains. If they looked on the commercial aircraft they are routinely flying they will see external stiffeners and straps that are post production fixes.

32 posted on 05/19/2015 9:04:27 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Rabin

My Ford Escort threw a fan belt. I’m going to bitch that Ford needs to cancel the Escort.


33 posted on 05/19/2015 2:47:21 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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