Posted on 05/27/2015 8:02:37 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
I think this is spot on.
The writer presents a convoluted pattern of logic, but is ultimately effective in making his point.
Really? I thought it was stupid.
Of course atheists consider the sexual abuse of children to be wrong because it is injurious to the children and they are not of an age to consent.
Is that really so hard to understand?
Without a doubt the stupidest, most tendentious heap of shite I have read this month. CONGRATS!!
I believe the non-biblical argument rests on the concept of “consent”, whereas a “child” cannot consent.
Is hypocrisy a sin ? It seems to me that the greatest sin a liberal finds in a conservative Christian is hypocrisy. to them not any of the 10 commandments are worse than the act of hypocrisy. Why do we allow this presumption?
By far the highest incidence of pedophilia is in the male homosexual community, where they even formed an international organization called NAMBLA, to promote the rape of young boys. This is the group that goes by the moniker of “gay.”
Christians can point to a higher authorianty and say "I know that act was wrong because He said it was wrong."
All atheists can do is shrug and say, "Well here is what I think ..." and really -- who cares?
What was Jesus’ attitude toward the scribes and pharisees? What was the term repeated over and over?
That crowd is the one that received the most withering assault - the hypocrites.
So, yeah, I guess you could say it was a sin.
The biblical prohibition is not based on age or consent but rather relationship. Using consent as a yardstick would not prohibit all sexual activity that is considered wrong:
Leviticus 18:
Unlawful Sexual Relations
18 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
Atheists are moral free riders. They depend on others to have a Judeo-Christian morality that they shirk. The last thing they really want is to live in a society guided by ‘atheist morality’.
Jesus focused on the leaders and teachers who should be held to a greater standard. These believed they did not need a savior and they needed to turn their deeds back to what they taught.
So someone working at the FRC and leading the legislative efforts of that organization is not a leader?
I’ll give one for the Mormons, The Osmonds never had a scandal like this.
Say what you will, the holy undergarments serve a purpose.
Didn’t Lena what’s her name basically admit to the same thing? Did she lose here TV show?
“Unlawful Sexual Relations......................”
I quite agree with you however there are some FReepers that feel that what Josh did was NOT “sexual Relations”. Don’t believe me? Check this thread...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3293799/posts
To some it’s not “incest” because he did not put his penis in her vagina.
I’ve made the same argument but a little differently.
Atheists believe they can be a “good” person without religion. Ask them to define “good”, as other countries define it very differently. If you’d grown up in a Muslim country it is “good” to stone an adulterer to death. It is “good” to kill an apostate, etc..
So one’s definition of “good” is culturally influenced. In the USA the culture is saturated with millennia of Judeo-Christian ethics and is simply taken for granted as “good” by atheists. Therefore, to argue with an atheist, you simply have to challenge the ethics basis for their view. If there is no God, and we’re all just walking chemical reactions, why is it wrong to kill? steal? Isn’t “strongest of the fittest” just natural selection in practice? Why shouldn’t it apply to us? It definitely has been that way with other cultures in the past, historically it has been more of the norm. There’s nothing to indicate that man is “innately good”, quite the opposite.
So what has lifted man, at least in the west, out of this barbaric understanding? The answer is painfully simple and atheists don’t want to hear it - Jesus Christ.
And there are many Freepers who don’t understand grace:
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
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