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Why young Christians can’t grasp our arguments against gay ‘marriage’
LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/28/15 | John Stonestreet

Posted on 05/29/2015 6:00:47 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: sportutegrl

Their experience with homosexuality is the cute little boy in their school who is so dramatic. It’s harmless to them. Gays are like kittens or puppies.


21 posted on 05/29/2015 6:44:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I would add that when no-fault divorce became common and ordinary, that act was the beginning of the end.”

When scientists became able to facilitate the creation of life via test tubes, artificial insemination, etc., that didn’t help, either. It made it possible for homosexual couples to gain a semblance of family, no matter how freakish the circumstances.


22 posted on 05/29/2015 6:46:39 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: wagglebee

Yes, and that is why we will probably not be able to fight back against “gay marriage” effectively, because heterosexuals refuse to look in the mirror and pull back from our own abandonment and evisceration of marriage. Even most conservatives don’t want to hear about it, probably because they want to “have their cake and eat it too”. They want marriage to be “between one man and one woman”, but they still like the fact that it has been redefined into a temporary, dispensable arrangement with no real difference from “dating” besides the government benefits.


23 posted on 05/29/2015 6:52:35 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: bigbob

exactly.
The media/left wing have controlled this issue for decades and now have gone all out since they had control of the house, senate and white house.

Even on kids programs today they have boys cross dressing and homosexuals and another problem is parents.

I knew the dangers of the media, liberals, and libertarians when it came to this issue and therefore I warned my kids at a young age .
Today we have so many parents who have no idea what their kids homework is let alone the issues which face the country.

Far too many parents who are lazy, who think because they work they don’t have tome to spend with their kids.

For the record my kids are totally against homosexuality and the agenda and they are high, school, and middle school age. They find it repulsive and disgusting as many of their friends do.


24 posted on 05/29/2015 6:53:47 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Abandoning the concept of objective authority is the “rooter” reason.

The disconnect between sex and procreation is a symptom of that.


25 posted on 05/29/2015 6:56:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: knarf

It all starts at home. If parents invested time in their children and told them about what marriage is etc then we would not have this problem, instead parents have handed parenting to the TV and media.


26 posted on 05/29/2015 7:04:26 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: AppyPappy

Got that right. That applies to mostly girls who think the pansy , girlie boy is sweet, fun and nice.


27 posted on 05/29/2015 7:05:15 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Since virtually all Christians accept contraception, they have NO PRINCIPLE to appeal to in order to oppose any other form of sodomy.

I agree completely. For those of us who are fighting this battle I find the gnostic argument to be somewhat interesting. Contraception is a physical act that removes the unitive and procreative properties of marital relations. As some of said it is a rejection of humanity as expressed in the masculine and feminine genders.

Like contraception, the narrative from the sodomites has divorced the physical aspects of irregular sexual relations and imposed on the rest of us the notion of, "love is love". Which by its very nature denies the body. It's inherently anti-human.

I haven't fleshed this out all the way and have doubts about how compelling it is. Most likely it would not find a receptive audience to our adversaries but I do find it intriguing. Perhaps I should get around to reading St. Pope John Paul II's teachings on the theology of the body.

28 posted on 05/29/2015 7:07:24 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: DungeonMaster
When you take out “Because God says so” all Christian arguments fall apart.

That is not what the bible teaches, its not what Christians experience, and its not what atheists experience.

When we live apart from God's laws we inevitably create problems for ourselves and others. The laws God gave to everyone and especially to the descendants of Abraham were a gift to God's people. When we live outside of those laws we invite pain and suffering that could have been avoided and we do not experience the joy and happiness that God intends for us.

29 posted on 05/29/2015 7:10:34 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: wagglebee

I know from the Protestant side, the problem starts in the Church and ends in the Church.

Either preach the unvarnished truth, without respect to the feelings of the parishioners, without concern for your salary, with a focus ONLY on pleasing God and Christ your Savior, or don’t preach.

If we, as pastors, would stick to that approach, we would see a revival that rivals those that happened during the early part of our nation’s history.

If we don’t, this country is lost, forever.


30 posted on 05/29/2015 7:11:10 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Raycpa
What?

I'm simply saying that secular arguments against sodomy don't work.

31 posted on 05/29/2015 7:13:42 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Not so. Not at all.

Christian arguments are not fideist. They do not rest solely on revealed truth in a vacuum. Christian arguments partake also of reason and natural law, neither of which requires divine authority to be credible.


32 posted on 05/29/2015 7:26:04 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: wagglebee

No-fault divorce and serial marriage have soured young people. Hypocrisy has a way of doing that.

Put all of the blame where it belongs: adults who say anything to justify abhorrent behaviour.


33 posted on 05/29/2015 7:27:43 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkie)
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To: wagglebee
“What the article names as a ‘revisionist’ idea of marriage—marriage as an emotional, romantic, sexual bond between two people—does not seem ‘new’ to my students at all, because this is the view of marriage they were raised with, albeit with a scriptural, heterosexual gloss.”

The next question is:

Why just two people?
Why do bisexuals have to choose?
Why do three men and five woman have to choose?
Why do a brother and sister have to choose
etc.

Basically - the "gay marriage" argument destroys marriage.

34 posted on 05/29/2015 7:34:04 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: manc
worse ... to the public indoctrinaation centers

It's easy to say no to junk food, TV, movies ... etc ...... but not so easy to say no to a double income or the loss of "my time" for the kids (homeschool)

No ... they gave the kids to the government indoctrination centers

35 posted on 05/29/2015 7:37:01 AM PDT by knarf
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Why? Because His people have forsaken His Torah/Word; His written instruction (aka, but not as accurate, law). He is coming to establish His Kingdom. Kingdoms have: kinds, customs and yup laws. Granted transformed saints will not have flesh baying at the leash to sin anymore. We will be abiding by the rules without that.


36 posted on 05/29/2015 7:38:58 AM PDT by veracious
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To: SoConPubbie

‘’’”I know from the Protestant side, the problem starts in the Church and ends in the Church.

Either preach the unvarnished truth, without respect to the feelings of the parishioners, without concern for your salary, with a focus ONLY on pleasing God and Christ your Savior, or don’t preach.

If we, as pastors, would stick to that approach, we would see a revival that rivals those that happened during the early part of our nation’s history.

If we don’t, this country is lost, forever.”...

You are exactly right. Being a pastor today is not a position for the faint hearted. God bless!


37 posted on 05/29/2015 7:40:46 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Arthur McGowan
In 1968, Pope Paul VI predicted—because he grasped the PRINCIPLE involved—that acceptance of contraception would lead to acceptance of fornication, adultery, sodomy, and abortion, and would eventually destroy marriage entirely.
Contraception is a SPECIES of sodomy. I.e., sodomy is not just “anal sex.” Sodomy is any sex act that is intrinsically sterile, or HAS BEEN MADE sterile.
Since virtually all Christians accept contraception, they have NO PRINCIPLE to appeal to in order to oppose any other form of sodomy.

Bingo! I am not Catholic but have been saying for decades that contraception does not align with the scriptures as I read them. It is a compromise with sin, (or outright sin,) in my opinion. The most frequent argument I hear from Christians supporting it has something to do with "stewardship" or being able to "afford" our family. To those I ask what God do you serve? My God is able to supply ALL of my needs according to His riches in glory. If I don't have it, I probably don't need it... at least not yet.

Unfortunately, I wasted the years of my youth believing the lies of the world instead of trusting God. It hurts me to my soul to see these younger generations being lied to by their churches and subsequently wasting their lives in vain pursuits instead of the fruitful lives God desires us to live. That kind of teaching also leads ultimately to them being deceived by doctrines of demons as we are seeing these days.

38 posted on 05/29/2015 7:51:43 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Telling people the truth about Jesus is all that really matters now...)
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To: wagglebee

Ping for later


39 posted on 05/29/2015 8:06:57 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie; xzins; Arthur McGowan; P-Marlowe
I know from the Protestant side, the problem starts in the Church and ends in the Church.

Either preach the unvarnished truth, without respect to the feelings of the parishioners, without concern for your salary, with a focus ONLY on pleasing God and Christ your Savior, or don’t preach.

If we, as pastors, would stick to that approach, we would see a revival that rivals those that happened during the early part of our nation’s history.

If we don’t, this country is lost, forever.

I couldn't agree more.

As a Catholic I've seen far to many priests who were more interested in being friends with his parishioners than he was in being their pastor. From what I've been told, this is also quite common among Protestants.

Every year Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans and many other Protestants observe the Feast of the Holy Innocents a few days after Christmas. In my opinion, few if any portions of the Gospels are better suited to a sermon regarding abortion than this, yet I don't know that I've ever heard abortion mentioned in these sermons.

If a doctor only cared about making sure his patients like him they would all have health problems and some would die unnecessarily. I don't know anyone who enjoys going to the doctor and being poked, prodded, etc., but we know we need to. Mothers typically weep when their babies are given shots, but they know that it is for the best.

Ministry is the same. Ignoring or even condoning sin for the sake of popularity endangers souls. Christians love to hear about Heaven and the eternal joy that awaits, but we also need to be told that Hell is also a very real place.

40 posted on 05/29/2015 8:20:51 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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