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Why young Christians can’t grasp our arguments against gay ‘marriage’
LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/28/15 | John Stonestreet

Posted on 05/29/2015 6:00:47 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: the OlLine Rebel

That’s a good point.


41 posted on 05/29/2015 8:39:08 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dila813

Amen to that.


42 posted on 05/29/2015 8:40:38 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DungeonMaster

I didn’t understand what you were saying, either. Did you mean that all morality comes from God?


43 posted on 05/29/2015 8:43:36 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
The article itself is an example of the problem. Not a single scripture was used. When man thinks he can say it better than God, problems result.

Jesus said, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me."

One of those commandments is found in 1 Thess 1:4-8:

Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who£ has also given us His Holy Spirit.

44 posted on 05/29/2015 8:47:38 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: Romulus
Christian arguments are not fideist. They do not rest solely on revealed truth in a vacuum. Christian arguments partake also of reason and natural law, neither of which requires divine authority to be credible.

God says sodomy is bad and we agree. Statistics show that homos have a high incidence of drug, alcohol and physical abuse among each other and that makes sense to us. But we can't prove that their problem is spiritual and the other side is successfully saying that a lack of acceptance is why they are emotionally troubled.

At some point "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" is the only argument a Christian has.

45 posted on 05/29/2015 9:18:41 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: trisham
I didn’t understand what you were saying, either. Did you mean that all morality comes from God?

Does #45 help?

46 posted on 05/29/2015 9:19:59 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Not really.


47 posted on 05/29/2015 9:24:43 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
OK you asked: "Did you mean that all morality comes from God?"

I always run to the bible for such high level things. The verse that came to mind was Jesus saying "If you, being EVIL, know how to give good gifts to your children..."

We know man is evil yet knows right from wrong and is capable of doing what is good. The "Comes from God" aspect of your question can go all the way to the fact that He created us the ability to know and choose right from wrong and that is all of Him.

But I place no faith in man's ability to define morals though he stumbles upon being good once in a while.

48 posted on 05/29/2015 9:30:51 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: wagglebee
This is an irritating article. Sean McDowell “lays out a plan” to fix the problem but you have to buy his book. And....The problem with these books is that it doesn't take a full book to present the argument. An essay the length of a Reader Digest article would be more than enough.
49 posted on 05/29/2015 10:54:51 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: bigbob
Media....Education...Pop Culture.

Christians and conservatives could fix education almost immediately and a major correction in the direction of media and pop culture would follow in as little as ten to 30 years.

How?

Remove the children! There are whole counties and even entire states where, if conservatives and Christians removed their kids, the godless government K-12 system of compulsory education would **immediately** collapse!

50 posted on 05/29/2015 11:03:41 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: DungeonMaster

That makes no sense.


51 posted on 05/29/2015 11:04:09 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: bigbob
A thought just came to me.

If a big space ship hovered over the U.S. and sucked up every government K-12 school, imagine how many spouses of ministers would be out of a job!

52 posted on 05/29/2015 11:04:55 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: yetidog

That and the civil rights, since homosexual marriage is primarilly used by people who do not want to share genetic make up. It is the same Sanger mantra of aborting negro children from black lovers, treating the plantation womb and relationships as extended slavery as a concept.

It is contradictory to the constitution and should require a constitutional amandment if things were done properly, but instead we have chaos and dictat


53 posted on 05/29/2015 11:27:24 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: DungeonMaster

Thank you for your patience. I agree.


54 posted on 05/29/2015 12:00:54 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Sodomy is any sex act that is intrinsically sterile, or HAS BEEN MADE sterile.

That is all well and good...but does the above include a man and woman employing the so called ‘rhythm method’ so as to minimize the chance of conception...?

It’s been going on for centuries...all of them sodomites...?


55 posted on 05/29/2015 1:53:36 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: DungeonMaster

“At some point “God said it, I believe it, that settles it” is the only argument a Christian has.”

And that is exactly why the majority of our country supports gay marriage. In an increasingly secular society, we need to make secular arguments. Especially when there are left-leaning churches claiming God for themselves.


56 posted on 05/29/2015 2:37:26 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: trisham
Thank you for your patience. I agree.

My pleasure.

My son works at Chick Fil A and they say "My pleasure" in response to every thank-you. It's a nice thing. I love Christian companies.

57 posted on 05/30/2015 9:17:08 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: highball
we need to make secular arguments.

I'm afraid I disagree. Secular arguments do not spread the gospel.

58 posted on 05/30/2015 9:18:37 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: DungeonMaster

I’ve heard only good things about Chick Fil A. :)


59 posted on 05/30/2015 9:19:18 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
I’ve heard only good things about Chick Fil A. :)

It's the best first job that any of my 8 kids have had. One son worked at a local, ethnically diverse, grocery store and came out of it damaged goods. My son at Chick Fil A was allowed to play his trombone with his brother on the baritone during Christmas. They welcome Christians singing hymns at Christmas time. Most of the employees are Christians and a really good percentage of the patrons too.

I've recently dumped Taco Bells for Wendy's for the same reason.

60 posted on 05/30/2015 9:21:47 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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