Posted on 05/31/2015 5:20:38 PM PDT by don-o
And really, what self-respecting biker would not be carrying a pocket knife? I carry one and I don't ride!
And really, what self-respecting biker would not be carrying a pocket knife? I carry one and I don’t ride!
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Or nail clippers... which were among the listed “weapons”.
I know, I agree with you. I think the DA will bring a murder charge at some point. They have to figure out who shot who first though.
I’ve seen stories in my local media of some of them have already lost their job. One guy was a 65 yo Vietnam Veteran with a Purple Heart that’s still sitting in jail. ALL of the vehicles in the parking lot were impounded as evidence, even if the owners weren’t there. Bikes and cars!!! How do those folks get to work now???
That’s a good find. Mark it.
If the police had put even half this effort into dealing with rioters and looters in Baltimore and Ferguson, we would not have seen nearly the level of violence that those two locations had.
It’s highly unlikely that many of them will be convicted. It’s not in anyone’s interest to stoke up the concern about rights violations in this country.
I carry two pocket knives, and occasionally a sheath knife with a 6 inch blade, and have on occasions, carried a Bowie with an 11 inch blade, but the sheath knives were generally for going to bars.
Seriously?
What in hell do newspaper editors pay journalists for?
Where'd you find that tidbit?
I’ve read all. Over 500 5.56 rounds reportedly expended at close range. All killed has reports (no coroner,s report yet)of .22 holes in them. This is not Denmark but it still smells.
One young lady here on FR decided to traverse a crumby river bank against my wishes, I was wringin my hands that the bank was crumbling.
She produced a Kabar fighting knife from her boot and used it as an anchor..
Felony murder.
During commission of a felony, if anyone dies for any reason your culpable for murder.
If a creative DA finds a felony which can be generically applied to all the arrestees, then all 170 can be hit with 9 counts of felony murder - even if the cops did all the killing.
His family says he didn't belong to any motorcycle group. He used to belong to some motorcycle clubs now disbanded. See the link in Uncle Lonny's post #30, and also "in-forum" Travis McGee's posts. This wasn't a gang hang-out filled with criminals and it wasn't a handgun shootout between bad boy bikers fighting over turf, with cops stepping into tone it down. But every single "serious" news source in America is presenting it as if it was.
Ping to Travis’ post above.
This is an hypothesis I have, which explains and joins most of the various versions of events, including PD and non-PD witnesses. Of course, these are all rumors at this point. But this theory does tie up most versions in one plausible explanation.
It’s a given that ATF and Waco SWAT were already on scene, around the Twin Peaks, both in uniform and undercover, or concealed in vehicles.
It’s been stated in numerous accounts that a scuffle first broke out in the bathroom. Some allege that an undercover cop was wearing “false colors” into the Twin Peaks and was called out over it in the bathroom. IOW, the u/c false biker’s cover was blown. In the bathroom, it became heated, and the u/c cop pulled out his pistol, “badged up,” and tried to get out of the restaurant. Angry pushing ensues, possibly involving other brandished knives/pistols.
On the Waco PD tactical radio channel, all of the SWAT officers outside are hearing, “Officer in peril! Officer is being assaulted! Officer in trouble! Officer has weapons pointed at him! Officer needs help!”
As the little crowd (u/c cop with blown cover, surrounded by angry bikers) emerges from the Twin Peaks onto the parking lot, the already-present SWAT snipers have drawn beads on the Cossacks around the u/c false biker cop. The SWAT guys know who the officer is by a “telltale” such as a unique bandanna etc. They see knives and or guns being pointed at the u/c officer as he tries to flee the scene, his cover utterly blown.
One of the SWAT snipers perceives that the u/c cop is in immediate danger, and shoots one of the Cossacks who is holding a weapon, dropping him. After the first shot is made, it’s a case of “sympathetic shooting.” This was first discussed after the NYPD shooting of the unarmed Amadou Diallo in 1999. Basically, once ANYBODY fires a shot, all the cops will empty a magazine. “Shooting is shooting,” the brain just perceives a battle, not a one-way massacre.
So each of the SWAT snipers, firing scoped semi-auto carbines or scoped bolt guns, “takes out” one or more of the Cossacks around the “officer in danger.”
In the aftermath, the Waco PD has to cook up an alternative “gang war” story to cover their own disastrous actions, from sending in an u/c biker whose cover could be blown, to having a SWAT team on a hair trigger waiting outside, to the ensuing “sympathetic shooting” sniper massacre.
In this case, ballistics and blood trails will tell the tale. Even if the Waco PD tried to sanitize the scene, CSI-wise. Even if the Waco DA tries to strong-arm all 170 arrested bikers into signing “no lawsuit” gag agreements under threat of prison and financial ruin.
The above is just a theory I’m positing, a theory that to my mind explains all the known facts.
The truth will come out.
All I know is LEOs generally have the best dope in town and the finest firearms collections.
Don’t get me wrong, My Grandfather was the Chief of police and was straight as an arrow.
LOL!!!
I used to like to have a few drinks and go climb the 250/300 foot Torrey Pines sandstone cliffs at night, I would use two knives to help me gain traction.
My favorite sheath knife surprises people because it is so economical and unglamorous, but it is the indestructible Glock knife, made by Glock of Austria.
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