Posted on 06/14/2015 10:10:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
You've f-ing lost it.
You are totally missing my point.
It's an example of industry fleeing your big government taxes and regulations -- not to mention the lawyers who are big government allies and fill their pockets by suing them into oblivion. That never increases prices and makes American industry less competitive. Industry should be forced to endure your proscribed abuse. It's the patriotic thing to do.
You run with such a trustworthy crowd. If only we'd let government manage more of our economy, then we'd all live in utopia. More regulation, more taxes, and more lawyers is the solution, just ask central_va.
Why should you be the only one making them?
A factory that molds lawn decorations could be turned into one that produces all kinds of things for the military. A lot of plastic parts every where.
We manufacture trillions in goods here, every year. Do we really need a lawn decoration plant too?
Ok, but what does that have to do with free trade supposedly empowering the Ruling Class to hold down the middle class?
Explain how higher prices for necessary goods helps the middle class in any way. It doesn’t. Lower prices for their needs allows them to buy more and save more. Your statement about free trade is wrong.
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Well, when we do these free trade agreements to get lower cost goods, on average, why do they cost less? Is it because they are better innovators than us, or is it because they have a lower standard of living, poor working conditions, lower compensation, irresponsible waste disposal, lack of quality control and poorer safety standards among other things?
Right. A nation with 400 million people on the edge of starvation is how you define someone eating our economic lunch? Never mind per-capita GDP or per-capita income. The Chinese have perpetuated an economic arrangement that has made them a slave to the U.S. Yeah, they're eating our economic lunch. LOL
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Obama's motives are not to be trusted, but that doesn't mitigate the arguments in favor of freer trade. Reagan's motives were based on economic reality. That's why he was in favor of free trade.
How will you ever reduce the size of the federal government by any percentage when you want it to control a greater share of the economy and take more of the public's money, via higher taxes? Again, your economic illiteracy is killing your arguments, such as they are.
You'd prefer the ChiComs do it. I get it.
Our trade imbalance with China runs many 100’s of billions per per.
They are using this money to build up their Military.
When more money leaves your house than comes in you are poorer.
Do you think that free trade creates more American jobs than it destroys. Yes or no.
Does it create higher paying American jobs than the ones it destroys. Yes or No.
I don’t expect an honest answer from you on those questions.
You have the gall to talk about economic literacy.
President Obama thanks you for your support. He needs more conservatives like you.
There are all sorts of reasons for this. Maybe they don't have the EPA and OSHA to deal with. Maybe they don't have millions of trial lawyers to contend with. Maybe they have a comparative advantage, absolute advantage or efficiency. I'd rather import bananas and coffee than force Americans to grow them here. But that's just me.
Again, how does forcing the middle class to pay more for the necessities in life free them from the clutches of the ruling class? Are you saying that having government bureaucrats pick winners and losers is how we should protect people? Do you also believe the state is responsible, capable and reliable?
How so? Was Marx right or wrong about free trade eliminating capitalism? When did Marx write those words? Since then, how many more countries have adopted capitalist bases economic systems vs. what they had before?
Well maybe because they have jobs. A factory produces more than just jobs in the factory. It creates a community and more jobs on top of jobs.
There are only three ways to create wealth; mine it, make it or grow it. We are throwing "make it" out the window....
Importing goods and putting them on the shelf does not create wealth.
Sounds like a great reason to cut regulations and taxes on factories. 10% sounds like plenty. 0% would be better.
No, you don't get it. You think a country dependent on our consumption, and that owns more than a trillion in our debt, is going to dictate economics to us. No wonder you say the stupid things you do.
You are strange person. Tell me how did we win wwii without Mexican and Chinese factories?
Agree . But we have to stop the bleeding with tariffs. Once factory leaves it rarely comes back.
Excellent post.
You are exactly right.
They send us goods and we send them pieces of paper. They can either use those pieces of paper to invest in our economy or purchase our goods and services. Why is either of those options bad?
How does buying a Samsung smart phone make my household poorer? Economic illiteracy indeed.
Free trade creates a more competitive economy. All innovation comes from profit and a competitive economy. I would much rather have an economy based on innovation than one based on low tech manufacturing. For centuries, manufacturing has pursued low cost environments. An innovation based economy always pays more than the alternative.
Obama is a protectionist and a union lackey. His ideology is similar to yours. Fortunately, we have enough people in this country who understand basic economics and vote against the economic illiteracy you embrace.
“President Obama thanks you for your support. He needs more conservatives like you.”
Ha, Ha too funny.
Maybe that should be his new signature.
Nope.
Once factory leaves it rarely comes back.
A 0% corporate tax rate will make plenty come back.
Yet we continue to manufacture and export more than ever. Your emotions don't trump economic reality even though you feel like they do.
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