Posted on 06/19/2015 6:57:59 AM PDT by don-o
We believe that autopsies are going to show ... that the 18 wounded were shot by police.Heh. Well, that is either going to be a long wait, or .... well, I shudder to even think it.
That should be subject to evidence unless every single shot was above their heads.
Regardless, according to Waco Chief Brent Strother, HIS men we sitting in their vehicles when what HE calls a "violent altercation" broke out. So, it breaks out, then police get out of vehicles, acquire targets and three of them fire a total of 12 rounds. No timeline exists (because????) but, cobbling together reports, they ceased fire in around two minutes from initial gunfire in the parking lot.
It seems to me that this aspect is not getting the attention it deserves.
There is a property seizure affidavit that recounts an environment of increasing suspicious and potentially ominous actions at the restaurant, while the cops were chillin' in their cruisers. They got caught flat footed.
Good Point
I guess that's everyone's big question.
Did the cops believe Cossack/Bandito shooting were shots fired at them and they returned fire upon bikers indiscimiently?
Nailed it.
What bullets were fired by which firearms at the scene were in the bodies of the deceased?
Pronounce WHACO Crazy.....
I believe the police were never fired upon, as they claim.
is not my comment. It belongs to Mariner.
That comes to more that 75% carrying if they had one firearm each. You'd think by now, since all those wearing vests are hardened criminals (cough), we'd have heard of new charges for all the illegal possessions. At least that charge could be easily verified by the public so the LEOs would want that out there. Ballistics would prove which, if any, of those were fired that day and those not should have been returned weeks ago.
I may not be a math whiz but 130 motorcycles + 91 other vehicles = more vehicles than people killed and arrested. Lets throw in a handful of damaged vehicles owned by Don Carlos' customers but you still have too many vehicles because there is no way some didn't ride double on the bikes and there weren't passengers in the other vehicles.
The number of weapons found going up at this late date would indicate a drop gun for CYA.
More painfully for Clendennen, while in jail "my ex-wife served me with a petition" to restrict his custodial arrangement with his son to supervised visits, and filed a restraining order, leaving him, thanks to the arrest, "in the middle of a legal battle" and unable to be alone with his son or to discuss his civil or criminal cases with him.
And he won't be the only one in this situation. Loss of jobs, reputation, custody, missed car and rent payments, etc. Then there are the lawyer fees.
Chief Stroman says that federal ATF is handling the ballistics investigation into exactly what sort of weapons were used
FOX AND HEN HOUSE
I think the first place to look is the Waco ATF office. They are the common thread in both.
Carol Moore did some excellent research. Here “waco holocaust museum” is deeply disturbing.
You are confusing biker gangs with biker clubs.
The majority of those arrested were biker club members.
Which is common and a huge and dangerous problem in this thing.
“and that the 18 wounded were shot by police”
from the forfeiture actions posted yesterday, statements from two of the wounded:
“The Bandido shot Nelson in the neck and the bullet exited his shoulder.”
“Veillon was shot, but continued to fight with Bandidos. He is seen on video picking something up off the ground and hitting a Bandido with it, according to the documents.
Nelson was the Cossack ?
Ray A. Nelson Jr.
Jeffrey Veillon
Both these wounded are Cossacks and not arrested.
Other wounded from the report:
Jeff Battey, Bandido, shot in upper shoulder.
“Waco police officer saw Battey and Ray Allen standing behind the restaurant “in a triangulated position” to Mathew Smith, who was lying on the ground about five yards away and was “gasping for air.” Both Battey and Allen were wearing Bandidos vests.
The officer noticed that Allen had a silver handgun in his hand and said it looked like Battey had been shot in his upper right shoulder, according to the documents.”
Allen, a Bandido, is still in jail.
“Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk.” I have not seen the club affiliation for the deceased; guess is he was a Cossack.
Have a great weekend.
The saddest thing is that law enforcement just accepts that the Bandidos can harass and extort money from "club" members, as the narrative paints it -- the Cossacks paying a "fee" through the CoCI and rebelling because they didn't want to pay it anymore -- fee for what? Being able to wear, while engaging in perfectly legal activities, a special kind of patch that says "Texas" on it? And the cops just shrug that hey, the Bandidos say you can't do it, so don't make waves ...???
The whole thing is screwy.
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