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If One of the Churchgoers in Charleston Had Been Armed . . .
The National Review ^ | June 20, 2015 | David French, attorney and staff writer

Posted on 06/20/2015 9:41:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet
(Underlines mine) I’ve walked out of my house unarmed and thus largely incapable of defending myself — and, more important, others — from violent acts.

I'm sorry, my obligation is to my family. It is up to the other people to make the decision to spend $500+, get instruction, fingerprinted, mug shots and pass a criminal background check at state and federal levels, in order to defend themselves.

I do little for my family by getting killed defending someone who had the same chance as I did to arm himself and didn't. If they survive because I took out the bad guy who was trying to kill me, that is their good luck - and a warning sign from God to get thee a CCW.

41 posted on 06/21/2015 10:08:10 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
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To: davetex
If I recall, if you want to load .45ACP in a revolver, you need half moon or full moon clips.

I'm a little puzzled about this "loaded repeatedly" quote, but I'm not interested enough in the minutia of crazy to chase it very far.
I suspect that he was simply a very poor shot, like all leftists and a lot of conservatives. (Experience shows that watching movies is no substitute for range time.)

42 posted on 06/21/2015 1:43:48 PM PDT by jonascord (It's sarcasm unless otherwise noted...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...yes, someone would have stopped him - maybe after he warned them with his rant about blacks, and about the time he showed his glock, before he fired his first shot... maybe.


43 posted on 06/21/2015 1:46:55 PM PDT by OKSooner (Chamberlain at least loved his country, please don't insult his memory by comparing him to 0.)
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To: period end of story
Who brings a gun to church?

The guy whose sermons I listen to, for one. And I've not fallen asleep during one yet. O Lord our God, God of Power and Might, powerful in strength, strong in battle, You once gave miraculous strength to Your child David granting him victory over his opponent the blasphemer Goliath. Mercifully accept our humble prayer. Send Your heavenly blessing upon these weapons. Give to them power and strength that they may protect Your holy Church, the poor and the widows, and Your holy inheritance on earth, and make them horrible and terrible to any enemy army, and grant victory to Your people for your glory, for You are our strength and protection and unto You do we send up praise and glory, to the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.

— A prayer from a service for the Blessing of Weapons, Trebnik of the Serbian Orthodox Church (1993).

[An Orthodox priest blesses rifles during a ceremony where new recruits receive their weapons at a military base of the Belarusian Interior Ministry in Minsk. The traditional ceremony was attended by 325 Belarusian recruits, and it is held a month after the recruits take their military oath.) (Vasily Fedosenko/Reuters)

44 posted on 07/08/2015 8:30:28 AM PDT by archy
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Is that what he used? Please show the citation. Since he "reloaded several times" I was thinking he used a revolver...

From CNN story *here*:

On Thursday, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer. Roof purchased a Glock .45-caliber model 41, which holds 13 rounds, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said. Witnesses have reported that Roof reloaded a number of times

From Affidavits spell out chilling case against Dylann Roof:

CHARLESTON — As a subdued Dylann Roof made his first official appearance Friday on charges of killing nine people at a historic black church, police affidavits offered grim details of the murder case, including an allegation that the gunman fired multiple shots into each victim and stood over them to issue "a racially inflammatory statement."

The documents also said that Roof's father and uncle contacted police to positively identify the 21-year-old as the suspect after authorities issued photos of the gunman within hours of the attack at the Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston Wednesday evening.

The father, according to the documents, also told investigators that his son owned a .45 caliber handgun. The documents note that .45 caliber casings were found at the scene of the shootings. ... .


...A federal law enforcement official who is not authorized to speak publicly confirmed that Roof's father had given him a .45-caliber handgun for his 21st birthday in April. Police are analyzing the weapon recovered from Roof's car after his arrest to see whether it matches the firearm used in the attack and whether it is the same gun he received as a birthday gift. ... .

45 posted on 07/08/2015 8:40:33 AM PDT by archy
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