Posted on 06/21/2015 7:39:37 PM PDT by grandpa jones
Honestly, that's what the liberals want.
It's time to start talking about how the federal government is screwing over Black Christians, is complicit in genocide against them, and is planning to close down churches that don't recognize gay marriage.
You may love it but it is also the #1 symbol of racism in the country and shouldn’t be anywhere on government property outside of a museum display.
Always looking for an excuse to loot and tear shit up.
Trash and burn - their remedy for everything....then they complain about the mess their neighborhoods are in.
They should get to the real causes of the shooting - burn images of Lucifer. Better yet, do what he hates: pray.
Much as Progressives want it to be, evil’s roots are not of this world.
The fifty star United States flag of the present era represents the rapidly developing statist tyranny of today’s national government. The current federal leviathan is opposed to the concept of individual liberty. It has politicized every aspect of public life and private life in order to control the activities of citizens subjected to its authority. Instead of encouraging each citizen to be the best he or she can be it actively seeks to corral people into groups (tribes) and dispense favors or impose punishment based on group classification. Property redistribution, based solely on group identity through a corrupt political process, is the major source of its political power and legitimacy. Independent thought, speech, or activity outside the defined norms of class or group is increasingly viewed as a threat by the national state and such behavior is rapidly being criminalized. Today’s powerful and intrusive national government condones, encourages and facilitates the murder of the unborn and its academic thought leaders are laying the groundwork to justify and facilitate the compulsory and premature end of life for the “unproductive” elderly. Instead of protecting the lives and livelihoods of its citizens it allows millions of non citizens to invade communities, attack the culture, and deprive innocent citizens of life, liberty, and property.
While I have great pride in many aspects of my southern heritage, and I respect the decision of some of my non slave holding ancestors to oppose what they considered to be an oppressive national government during the 1860’s, I cannot in any way condone or justify slavery or the oppression of black people through segregation and the denial of rights. I have studied the Civil War and understand the reasons for going to war were far more complicated than simply preserving the institution of slavery. However, the victors wrote the history of the war taught to generations of children and that history states the war was fought only to sustain slavery. To the majority of today’s US citizens the Confederate battle flag is a symbol of that failed cause and as a symbol of oppression is scorned by both the decendents of oppressed black people and non blacks who consider the legacy of slavery and forced segregation immoral.
Furthermore it is an undisputed fact the flag was used by the KKK and other oppressors of black people after the surrender at Appomatox as a symbol of racial dominion as well as to instiill fear in freed black citizens whose only sin was being born with black skin. This post Civil War association with oppression for over 100 years more than spoiled any positive association of the flag with rebellion against a tyrannical state.
Given the flag’s historical strong association with brutal racial oppression, the passionate emotional views of the oppressed blacks still living and their offspring, are valid and should be respected by all of their fellow citizens. It is true emotions about the killings in Charleston are being exploited by race hustlers, politicians and others who have no real grievance and are using the flag issue to further their political objectives. However, the exploitation of a tragic event by some does not mean the historic association of the flag with injustice and oppression is not real and worthy of public discourse over the appropriateness of its use as a symbol for all of the people of the state.
Ultimately the decision is up to the people of South Carolina and their elected representatives. Even if the flag is removed from public property, individuals will retain the right to display the Confederate battle flag, as individual free speech, no matter their motives for doing so. Isn’t that individual expression of symbolic speech what millions of Americans have fought and died for over two centuries. Certainly they did not shed their lives so a state government could incorporate what for many is an offensive symbol of oppression into a state flag flown on public property maintained with tax money taken from citizens.
The historical flag with more relevance to those resisting the intrusion and oppression of the federal government is the 13 star flag of the American Revolution. It stands for the joining together of 13 separate colonies to fight for independence from the tyranny and oppression of an unjust government. It also symbolizes their efforts to establish a limited republican form of government guaranteeing the God given rights of citizens and promoting individual liberty instead of the power of the state. The goals of the American Revolution, in their totality, are more virtuous, inspiring, and compelling than the goals of the Confederate rebellion tainted by a Constitution guaranteeing the right of some men to hold others in bondage.
In the public sphere it is time to put the Confederate battle flag to rest with the long dead soldiers who carried it into battle, and the bones of the racists who used it as a symbol of oppression for a century following the war. As to the many southerners who actually fought in the Civil War solely to preserve the American Revolution concept of liberty, and not to preserve the institution of slavery, their memory can be honored today by the flying of the 13 star flag of their ancestors.
The 13 star flag should not offend anyone except those dedicated to the oppression of the individual and the omnipotence of the state. Let them be offended.
I’m looking at pictures of the protesters. 99% faggity looking white liberals. I hate ... white liberals.
“His choice was not random, and fans of his favorite flag ought to sit down and ask themselves why.”
It must be wondrous to be able to ask such profound questions of oneself.
The KKK has in the past used the American flag in their marches. Should we get rid of the American flag? As to why, he is young and may be stupid and ignorant enough to mindlessly absorb the latest liberal smear. For example, liberals smear anyone who is for man-woman marriage as a bigot. Should we drop our insistence on man-woman marriage because that insistence does in fact make us bigots?
If the state of SC is forced to take down the flag how long do you think it will be before individuals are denied the right to display it because it represents hate speech. Slippery slope, my friend. And way too may wrongs in this country started out on slippery slopes.
If the recent KKK high jacked the flag and used it to represent oppression, that’s their choice. What should be done if a radical muslim group decides to use the “Come And Take It” flag? If we survive, should generations from now ban it and be taught it represents evil?
And by the way, you KNOW there are those who want that flag and the Gadsden flag banned. I’m sure there are those of British decent who are offended by the Gadsden flag. It reminds them their ancestors were defeated. Maybe that’s why so many hate the Confederate flag. It reminds them they won but the other side still hasn’t given up the fight.
Since the schools have taught the Civil War was about one thing and one thing only, maybe the flag should be used to educate people at every opportunity.
Finally, if it offends people, too damned bad. There’s not one person alive today who ever served under that flag or who ever lived as a slave. With maybe the exception of Sheila Jackson Lee. She said on the floor of the house a few years back “I stand here before you a freed slave.” As you said, poor education is part of the problem.
And by the way, your statement “The 13 star flag should not offend anyone except those dedicated to the oppression of the individual and the omnipotence of the state. Let them be offended.”
To many, the Confederate flag represents the fight against “the oppression of the individual and omnipotence of the state”. That’s the way I’ve always thought of it.
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