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Cruz Now a ‘No’ on TPA Read more at:
National Review Online - The Corner ^ | June 23, 2015 10:24 AM | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 06/23/2015 5:43:39 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: xzins; Jane Long

> “There really isn’t any running from that quote.”

Says who? You and Jane Long? I don’t see a great support for your assertion. In fact I see your assertion is false on its face.

You haven’t explained how a national review story on Ted Cruz voting NO leads to a conclusion that he REGRETS not voting NO on the 1st TPA.

He was ‘misled’. So what? As if that doesn’t happen everyday in Congress?

Senator Cruz read the 1st TPA and concluded it was not harmful and in fact would be helpful for him as President.

I read the 1st TPA carefully and I agree with Ted Cruz. It was not harmful at all and could only help. And I was not the only one. Plenty of notable conservatives reached the same conclusion.

You offer nothing but conspiracy based on innuendo and misinterpretation.

There is no way to get from “misled”, “intimates” to REGRET for voting on the 1st TPA when in fact the 1st TPA was good for America.


121 posted on 06/23/2015 7:50:32 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Cruz read the Wiki-Leaks leak on the TPA “

Well, you are being “less than honest”. If he had to read it in WikiLeaks then he obviously didn’t read it as an official document.

Don’t try to call someone a liar that isn’t as that is lying.


122 posted on 06/23/2015 7:51:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: MN_Mike

No representative is perfect. Cruz was crusin’ good until this. Now I see that he is better but not different in kind from the others. It’s a reality check.


123 posted on 06/23/2015 7:52:48 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
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To: Jane Long

I received that one as well. I never open the snail mail requests I receive. I have had phone calls from the Cruz campaign as well.

But now I find out that they don’t want money. It’s just for the publicity:)


124 posted on 06/23/2015 7:55:06 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: CodeToad


No, to agree with your premise, both you and I would have to know that both versions of the TPA were exactly the same, that all the negotiations and amendments offered had not altered the original TPA.

Can you say that you know that? I don't, and I'd be willing to bet you don't either, so your accusation of me being "less than honest" is probably just you being dishonest.
125 posted on 06/23/2015 7:55:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: CodeToad
Well, you are being “less than honest”. If he had to read it in WikiLeaks then he obviously didn’t read it as an official document.

No, to agree with your premise, both you and I would have to know that both versions of the TPA were exactly the same, that all the negotiations and amendments offered had not altered the original TPA.

Can you say that you know that? I don't, and I'd be willing to bet you don't either, so your accusation of me being "less than honest" is probably just you being dishonest.
126 posted on 06/23/2015 7:56:11 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: conservativegranny

> “These are politicians. None are to be trusted.”

Ted Cruz agrees with you. Take a few minutes to listen here:

Time 1:12:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sznh5AjageI

And try to keep your eyes and ears open to the fact that Ted Cruz is under attack by people that are hacks. And though they are not winning, they won’t stop until November 2017.

If you’re a Cruz donor, then you should expect that the left and the GOPe are going to throw every ounce of mud at him they can gather. you should be ready for it.


127 posted on 06/23/2015 7:58:57 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: SoConPubbie

Of course he is a no vote - now that he knows there are sufficient numbers of his fellow GOP quislings to pass the treacherous garbage .... He need not dirty his image as “Mr. Constitution” ... After all, he does need to guard his presidential ambitions from a full frontal assault by genuine conservatives. His Goldman-Sachs wife must be thrilled - they can have their cake and eat it too!


128 posted on 06/23/2015 8:05:30 PM PDT by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
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To: xzins; Jane Long; fortheDeclaration; P-Marlowe

> “There is no way you can read the above quote from the article as Cruz suggesting that TPA #1 was fine and dandy. He’s presented as suggesting he was misled on it. IOW, it’s FAULTY!”

That’s your opinion that belies the facts,

You have no sense of context if you read into that statement the things you conclude.

Ted Cruz and several other notable conservatives read the 1st TPA, as did I. I would bet yoyu did not read it. There was absolutely no mention of renewing the EX-IM Bank in it.

What you are taking out of context is the 2nd TPA where democrats were allowed to renew the EX-IM Bank with Boehner’s assistance. That’s where the relevance of ‘misled’ is applied.

I note that you are not actively raising any concerns about Boehner or McConnell. You are actively trying to hang Ted Cruz for the crime of being ‘betrayed’.

If someone is going to vote NO on a good bill based on fear and notions of betrayal, then they shouldn’t be in Congress because they’re useless.

To say that everyone should NO on a good bill because Boehner and McConnell are corrupt, translates to never voting for anything good.


130 posted on 06/23/2015 8:10:35 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: WTFOVR; SoConPubbie

There were sufficient votes the first time. So your pitiful attack fails.


131 posted on 06/23/2015 8:13:38 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: SoConPubbie

In other words, Ted Cruz supported TPA before he read it then decided not to support it after he read it in WikiLeaks.

Fact remains, Ted Cruz supported TPA without having read it, and I will not support anyone prone to doing that.


132 posted on 06/23/2015 8:13:44 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: CodeToad; SoConPubbie

> “Fact remains, Ted Cruz supported TPA without having read it, and I will not support anyone prone to doing that.”

Fact remains? Laughable!

He indeed did read the bill as did several other notable conservatives, as did I.

There was nothing in the 1st TPA that was wrong. It was a good bill.


133 posted on 06/23/2015 8:17:37 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: SoConPubbie
I'm not sure if that picture means that you agree or disagree with the statement?

Anyway, I think people forget that politicians are crooked. No one is a special snowflake, you can't get that high in office without being corrupt. The best you can hope for is that every now and then they will accomplish something that you believe in. Usually around re-election time.

134 posted on 06/23/2015 8:22:37 PM PDT by Brour1929
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To: Paladin2

I continue to be entertained by the purists for which Cruz is damn if he voted for TPA and now damned for voting against it.

Here’s an idea. Why don’t the Cruz haters share with the rest of us who they prefer as their candidate.

Don’t give me the typical nonsense about “well, I am still making up my mind”

Tell us which candidate for you walks on water.


135 posted on 06/23/2015 8:22:41 PM PDT by MN_Mike (Cruz 2016)
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To: MN_Mike

All representatives need to be held to account. Cruz has acted stupidly here. Trying to blame it on Ditch Mitch is lame. Cruz needs to own up that any support for 0bama is, at this point, totally uncalled for.


136 posted on 06/23/2015 8:28:12 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
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To: SoConPubbie

“If you say so ... If you say so ... If you say so ...”

Puppet with a string coming out of your back, eh? Can I pull it on your next go around? I do like the sound of broken records. Really I do. /s


137 posted on 06/23/2015 8:28:14 PM PDT by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
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To: xzins

> “Cruz is now saying that TPA #1 was flawed.”

The problem with your saying that is that he never said that. And if you continue to say that he did, then you are putting words into his mouth and trying to speak for him.

You are trying to put together some sort of false inference that “misled by McConnell” translates to “1st TPA was flawed”. It won’t work because Ted Cruz never connected those things.


138 posted on 06/23/2015 8:32:04 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: gwgn02

You’re sending money to a flip-flopper?


139 posted on 06/23/2015 8:39:23 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Jonathan Gruber is proof that God is still smiling on Americans)
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To: CodeToad

Cruz didn’t read about the TPA in Wikileaks. The TPA was NEVER secret.
You do know that don’t you?


140 posted on 06/23/2015 8:40:21 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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