Posted on 07/04/2015 10:19:30 AM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
For many opponents of same-sex marriage, the fight has just started.
While supporters of marriage equality celebrate the supreme court’s historic decision in Obergefell v Hodges, advocates for traditional marriage have redoubled their efforts to influence policymakers. But the fight takes place in an unfamiliar political landscape, one where gay marriage has become the law of the land and one of the traditional benchmarks of the social conservative cause has been rendered meaningless.
No matter how ardently Republican candidates for president in 2016 proclaim that they believe marriage is between one man and one woman, the supreme court has ruled differently. So the issue for social-conservative voters is what to do now and how to tell whether candidates are sincere on the issue, and determined to fight it, or just “checking a box” with an intent to leave it alone.
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But people should not lose their jobs for exercising their First Amendment rights. If he can lose his job for opposing gay marriage with campaign money, all of us are under similar threat.
It has to be a constitutional amendment.
At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full "appreciation" or "understanding" of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won. And to get to shoulder-shrug stage, gays as a class must cease to appear mysterious, alien, loathsome and contrary. A large-scale media campaign will be required in order to change the image of gays in America.
A large-scale media campaign will be required in order to change the image of gays in America.
This is where TV shows like “Will and Grace” come in.
I’ve heard there is a homosexual cabal in Hollywood, who are involved with how homosexuals are portrayed in TV and movies. They are responsible for the fact that so many shows have homosexual characters, and that the homosexual is portrayed as a likeable character.
On the other hand, people such as clergy or fathers are objects of derision, and the butt of the jokes, in the entertainment media.
Romans 1:21-28English Standard Version (ESV)
21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
All the other things that people argued about ‘slippery slope’ the pro-regressive are for it. You name it, if it degrades human kind they are for it. Incremental mass destruction of civilization. Many have stated that man (civilization) is the enemy.
Don’t think progs no longer want to euthanize the elderly and the “weak”, abort, control population or greatly reduce population or nearly eliminate man-kind, selective breeding (children of progs/elite) limit overall births, harvest organs, fetal stem cell experiments....incest, beastiality, infanticide...???
you name it.
THere is a progressive that supports it.
And they will never be happy even if they could have everything they want. Its not about happiness...its not about individual pursuit of happiness or libery..or fairness...its about control and power.
We are very fortunate. For all the screaming “LOOK AT ME, I’M GAY” there has been recently and all the exposure from TV and other media, the queers have managed to mentally infect only a miniscule 3.8% of our population.
I was hoping that now that we have 50 state homosexual marriage, that now the homosexuals will shut up.
But more likely they will find something else to bitch about. We have been hearing more about the T in LGBT, the trans whatever peoples. My bet is now they will bitch about gender norms in bathrooms and such being discriminatory. Since a trans whatever person sees men’s room and ladies room, doesn’t tknow where to go, and this social norm hurts his/her self esteem. So society will have to be upended to accommodate the tiny number who think they are a woman trapped in a mans body and all that stuff.
I think that the Republicans said the same thing, or words to that effect about obamacare also. You see where obamacare is now. They had the chance to get rid of it and stabbed Cruz in the back. Anyone who believes anything the republicans say is not wise.
Screw the GOP get control of legislation in State Houses. Build center then move for broader control
CDC said 1.8% Gallup padding its numbers.
It isn’t Gay Marriage, it’s restoring States Rights.
The Gay Marriage part of the SCOTUS Decision was a distraction, a shiny thing that everyone fixated on.
Nothing but a slight of hand used as a reason to eviscerate the Tenth Amendment and begin the attack on Religious Freedom Rights included in the First Amendment, their next Target.
The States should be the final Arbitor on Gay Marriage, just as they currently are regarding Incestuous and Polygamous Marriage. While all States prohibit Polygamous Marriage, Laws pertaining to Incestuous Marriage vary from State to State.
Individual States also mandate Age of Consent and Age of Consent for Marriage. The SCOTUS Ruling will require a National Standard as well.
What has happened is that Americans who disagreed with certain State Laws HAD the option of moving to another State that they felt followed their Beliefs such as Faith, Political and Societal. Now the SCOTUS has robbed them of that choice to a degree.
We are no better than the Old Soviet Union in that regard.
Yes you are wrong. Congress cannot overturn a decision. But court decisions are based on laws, and laws can be changed. This particular decision was based on the Constitution though and would require a constitutional amendment.
I forgot one little thing.
A Liberal will make States Rights a Racial component, accusing Conservatives that dislike Minorities of escaping to a less diverse White dominated State.
In that case, you can remind them that their favorite Socialist Bernie Sanders comes for the Whitest of White States, Vermont. Less than Two Percent of the Population is Black, and all other Minority Groups are relegated to about One Percent each. Vermont looks just like America. LOL
Oh yeah, just to make their Heads explode, explain that Vermont, like Alaska and Arizona have Constitutional Carry Firearm Laws.
I’m sure Bernie Sanders will make that a National Mandate as POTUS when he gets his hands on a Pen and Phone.
The decision in and of itself was an amendment to the Constitution ... from the bench.
There are many Supreme Court decisions that might be characterized that way. It doesn't change anything.
That may be, and this was the proverbial “straw” for me. It woke me up, so to speak, and changes everything for me.
But people should not lose their jobs for exercising their First Amendment rights.
It’s been pointed out already that there is no First Amendment issue without government coercion...
in other words, using moral suasion to oust somebody from a position, while harsh, is between the employee and employer, nobody else...
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