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U.S. senator: Individuals donít have religious freedom, just churches
LifeSiteNews ^ | 7/7/15 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 07/08/2015 6:56:59 AM PDT by wagglebee

WASHINGTON, D.C., July 7, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) – The freedom of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment applies only to churches, not to individuals, a U.S. senator said on national television recently.

Sen. Tammy Baldwin, D-WI – the nation's first openly lesbian elected to the U.S. Senate – addressed the Supreme Court's Obergefell v. Hodges decision on June 27 on MSNBC's Up with Steve Kornacki.

"Should the bakery have to bake the cake for the gay couple getting married?” the host asked. “Where do you come down on that?"

Baldwin responded that the First Amendment gave Americans no right to exercise religion outside the sanctuary of their church, synagogue, or mosque.

“Certainly the First Amendment says that in institutions of faith that there is absolute power to, you know, to observe deeply held religious beliefs. But I don’t think it extends far beyond that,” she said.

Sen. Baldwin then likened the issue to the Obama administration's contentious HHS mandate, requiring employers to furnish contraceptives, sterilization, and abortion-inducing drugs to female employees with no co-pay.

“We’ve certainly seen the set of arguments play out in issues such as access to contraception,” Baldwin said. “Should it be the individual pharmacist whose religious beliefs guides whether a prescription is filled, or in this context, they’re talking about expanding this far beyond our churches and synagogues to businesses and individuals across this country.”

“I think there are clear limits that have been set in other contexts, and we ought to abide by those in this new context across America.”

That view contrasts with a broad and deep body of law saying that individuals have the right to exercise their religion freely under the First Amendment, not merely to hold or teach their beliefs.

“At the Founding, as today, 'exercise' connoted action, not just internal belief,” wrote Thomas C. Berg, the James L. Oberstar Professor of Law and Public Policy at the University of St. Thomas School of Law.

That body of cases shows the First Amendment is an individual, not merely a corporate, right.

Further, the extent – and the constitutionality – of the HHS mandate is far from settled.

The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty has won 28 injunctions against the ObamaCare regulation and lost six.

The most significant statement to date has been the U.S. Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision last June, when the justices ruled 5-4 that closely held corporations do, indeed, exercise conscience protections under the terms of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

"We reject HHS's arguments that the owners of the companies forfeited all RFRA protection when they decided to organize their businesses as corporations rather than sole proprietorships or general partnerships," they added. "The plain terms of RFRA make it perfectly clear that Congress did not discriminate in this way against men and women who wish to run their business as for-profit corporations in the manner required by their religious beliefs."

However, the justices did not invoke the First Amendment's guarantee to freedom of religion – the “first freedom” that many say has been increasingly constricted under the Obama administration. The president rhetorically has spoken only of the “freedom of worship,” while conservatives say the “free exercise” clause grants Americans the right to practice their religion inside or outside church, in any relevant aspect of their lives, subject only to the most extreme provisions.

The RFRA holds that the government may not substantially burden any religious belief without having a compelling governmental interest.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2016election; election2016; homosexualagenda; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; moralabsolutes; obamanation; religiousfreedom; scottwalker; tammybaldwin; wisconsin
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Baldwin responded that the First Amendment gave Americans no right to exercise religion outside the sanctuary of their church, synagogue, or mosque.

“Certainly the First Amendment says that in institutions of faith that there is absolute power to, you know, to observe deeply held religious beliefs. But I don’t think it extends far beyond that,” she said.

This idiot has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution when she doesn't even have a remedial grasp of what it says.

1 posted on 07/08/2015 6:56:59 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/08/2015 6:57:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Just think! People calling themselves Americans elected this ditz.


3 posted on 07/08/2015 6:58:02 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop the Xeno invasion!)
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To: wagglebee

She’s one clueless bull lesbian.


4 posted on 07/08/2015 7:00:32 AM PDT by boycott
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To: wagglebee

She should be removed from the Senate

Ignorance of The Constitution is no excuse


5 posted on 07/08/2015 7:01:36 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (The First Amendment = Freedom of Religion = Religious Liberty = Applies to Everyone)
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To: wagglebee

Hey, Twit. This 1st amendment you hate applies to THE PEOPLE. The constitution opens with,”We the people”


6 posted on 07/08/2015 7:01:46 AM PDT by BigEdLB (They need to target the 'Ministry of Virtue' which has nothing to do with virtue.)
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To: wagglebee

“she doesn’t even have a remedial grasp of what it says.”

Sadly, leftists really don’t care...its even possible that she knows precisely what it says, and it trying to wordsmith a new meaning. To them, the Bill of Rights is a huge obstacle.


7 posted on 07/08/2015 7:02:04 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: wagglebee

A lesbian fascist. Who knew?!


8 posted on 07/08/2015 7:02:52 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: FlingWingFlyer

A bimbo lesbian.

Therefore, a democrat.


9 posted on 07/08/2015 7:04:53 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: wagglebee
What a moron.

"...nor the free exercise thereof."

'Splain that one Tammy.

10 posted on 07/08/2015 7:05:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: wagglebee

So, essentially I can go to church, but the state has the absolute right to force me to commit a sin outside of church?

Because that’s what I am hearing this dyke say.


11 posted on 07/08/2015 7:05:16 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: wagglebee

Are the people in WI that oblivious to what their elected officials believe or is this what the electorate wants?


12 posted on 07/08/2015 7:05:37 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Ouderkirk
That seems to be what she's saying.
13 posted on 07/08/2015 7:06:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

KOOLAID diet.


14 posted on 07/08/2015 7:06:43 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy, Cruz that is.)
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To: wagglebee

My Chihuahua has more brains than this ditz....................


15 posted on 07/08/2015 7:07:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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What freedoms will you bestow upon us, beyotch?


16 posted on 07/08/2015 7:08:18 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: wagglebee

She is a satanic pervert whose mental functions are corrupted.


17 posted on 07/08/2015 7:08:47 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (The night is far spent, the day is at hand.- Romans 13:12)
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To: wagglebee

She’s really not smart. Shevjustvsees the emotional reactions to things seeming to be successful (well they are successful in the short term for now) and she wants to kickstart another emotion-based change.

This is really dumb though. Really dumb.

She didn’t quite think this through...at all.


18 posted on 07/08/2015 7:09:15 AM PDT by Principled (...the Supreme Court of the United States favors some laws over others...)
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To: wagglebee

Is she related to Harf?


19 posted on 07/08/2015 7:09:24 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: wagglebee
This is why we have the 2nd amendment — when more people in government think the way this idiot does. It is for when the government redefines the Bill of Rights and it starts to impose its authority on the people.

A rhetorical question: does this limitation apply to Democrats and Democrat organizations (the other part of the 1st amendment; the press)? Wild guess: it probably only applies to people with whom he disagrees with.

20 posted on 07/08/2015 7:09:35 AM PDT by dhs12345
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