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Born this way? Society, sexuality and the search for the 'gay gene' (Says there isn't one)
The Guardian ^ | 7/10/2015 | Simon Copland

Posted on 07/11/2015 5:48:01 AM PDT by NetAddicted

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To: wideminded

No, not all victims of homosexual rape are homosexual, but the majority of children under 12 who are homosexually-raped develop affiliation for homosexual actions.


41 posted on 07/12/2015 11:31:12 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: blueunicorn6
Words have meaning. Homosexual means someone engaged in homosexual behavior.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, my definition is the correct one:

For homosexual as a noun they have:

"A person who has a sexual propensity for his or her own sex; esp. one whose sexual desires are directed wholly or largely towards people of the same sex."

42 posted on 07/12/2015 4:21:19 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: NetAddicted
If there’s no gay gene, then no one is homosexual from birth.

That assumes that development only depends on the genetic code. But that isn't true. Fetal development also depends on the uterine environment.

In most cases there is no genetic cause for cerebral palsy, but it affects people from birth.

43 posted on 07/12/2015 4:28:13 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Just mythoughts
No, it doesn't. There could be something related to the uterine environment that affects the developing baby's brain.

So it is a 'defect'?

You might be surprised to hear that I agree it is a defect.

In fact it has been proven that the likelihood that a son will be gay goes up every time a mother has another son.

Link please.

Fraternal birth order and male sexual orientation

44 posted on 07/12/2015 4:53:40 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

So, in consideration of your arguments, if I think about a male sticking his penis into another male’s anal canal, that makes me homosexual and not just somebody considering your comments?


45 posted on 07/12/2015 5:11:59 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: NetAddicted

Prepare to do some reading:

>http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000029<

>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-homosexuality-revisited/<

>http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/17/childhood-sexual-abuse-and-male-homosexuality/<

>http://www.home60515.com/3.html<

>http://www.blowthetrumpet.org/WhatCausesHomosexuality.htm<

>http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/what-causes-homosexual-desire-and-can-it-be-changed/<

>http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3<

>http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/07/study-childhood-sexual-abuse-often-a-factor-in-sexual-disorientation/<


46 posted on 07/12/2015 6:21:02 PM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: wideminded

Read #46.


47 posted on 07/12/2015 9:49:06 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: DH
Many posts have shown absolute PROOF that there is no gay gene and here you are coming up with something so stupid as to shock those with a brain that accepts rational and logical scientific proof.

Actually there were only 3 posts before your #36 that gave an argument of why there can be no gay gene.

#4 (also your post) and #12 give the same argument, that twin studies prove there can be no gay gene. But this type of study doesn't show whether there could be genes that just make it more likely that a baby could grow up to be gay.

#11 gives the argument that "gay genes" would be self-eliminating. But this is not necessarily true. For instance it is known that mothers who give birth to gay sons turn out to have more sons. So if there are genes that make it more likely that someone is gay, this effect compensates for the fewer children from the gay sons.

Note that I admitted earlier that there may be no gay gene. But I still think that someone could be gay from birth in the sense that the wiring in their brain was already set up in utero to turn out this way. People with cerebral palsy are that way from birth even though that is rarely due to genes.

Inquiring minds need to know....are you gay?

No, in my whole life I have never been sexually attracted to males (I am male) nor have I ever engaged in any homosexual activity (or wanted to). And I'm too old to start now.

By the way, although I have commented on various similar threads during over a decade on FR, I think you are the first one to ask if I was gay, although probably lots of other posters assumed that. I figure that not everyone who has argued with me on this topic could make the same statement I did.

48 posted on 07/13/2015 7:45:57 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; NetAddicted
Babies and young children are not sexual...at least they're not supposed to be

My son is a normal kid. I've known at least since he was two that he really appreciates pretty girls, including teenage ones. Apparently it is also common for parents of kids who turn out to be gay to have seen signs of their eventual preference very early.

It is not true that most people show no sign of whether they are going to turn out straight or gay until the day they hit puberty.

49 posted on 07/13/2015 8:20:06 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: blueunicorn6

Well, if you were thinking about it all the time ... But you don’t have to consider my comments. You can just read the dictionary definition and draw your own conclusion from that.


50 posted on 07/13/2015 8:30:30 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
>>Babies and young children are not sexual...at least they're not supposed to be<<

I've known at least since he was two that he really appreciates pretty girls, including teenage ones.

Was he having sex with them?

51 posted on 07/13/2015 9:05:33 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: wideminded

You wrote “But I still think that someone could be gay from birth in the sense that the wiring in their brain was already set up in utero to turn out this way.”

You “THINK” but can you prove it? I await your scientific response.


52 posted on 07/14/2015 5:36:16 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH

I grew around a family that had identical twin boys. Parents went to our Church and are still married to this day. These boys were raised in the same environment. One was straight and one was very obviously homosexual from an early age. Feminine behaviors, feminine traits, feminine preferences, etc.

Is there a gestational link perhaps?


53 posted on 07/14/2015 5:43:48 AM PDT by IamConservative (There is no greater threat to our freedoms than Bipartisanship.)
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To: NetAddicted

There can’t be a gene like that. It would die out. Thats science folks.


54 posted on 07/14/2015 6:44:36 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: wideminded

Are you a homosexual? Just wondering, since you’re pushing the “born that way” BS as hard as homosexuals do. The rest of us live in reality, not the f*gg*t agenda.


55 posted on 07/14/2015 11:15:00 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

EXCELLENT RESPONSE!!


56 posted on 07/14/2015 11:21:40 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: IamConservative

I am an identical twin and I can tell you from life’s experiences that one twin will be the favorite. What matters is which parent covets the “favorite.” Mom or dad?

Normally, nothing will come of it but in the situation you describe it is painfully apparent that MOM was the controlling factor for the “favorite” son.


57 posted on 07/15/2015 4:59:01 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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