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Posted on 08/01/2015 9:12:31 AM PDT by Mariner
Tell me about the F-35 budget...
The Burkes deploy a layered defense which reach out to 230nm with the RIM-174, and finishes close in with CIWS.
A small group of there can cover 400 miles in every direction with the ability to shoot down anything in that range.
From low-level high-speed cruise missiles to the standard Harpoon type.
And aircraft.
96 VLS tubes per platform.
What do you know of that can defeat that from the air?
No. Didn't know that part.
But almost all ships today have an aluminum super structure.
And for ALL modern platforms if they are hit with anything besides machine fun fire they are likely sitting ducks just waiting for the next volley.
Once you blow the antennas off, it's just target barge.
All you have to do is blow the antennas off and send in the clean-up crew...MK48 torpedoes or conventional bombs.
Right I had forgotten about Pearl Harbor which I posted as a follow up. However, we lost no BB’s post Pearl to 1945. (My Memory being correct?)
BBs didn’t need antennas and didnt have many.
That said, Harpoons are way too low for antennas.
Of course, bombs and Mk48s require a different platform than a DDG.
A joke. Nothing but a modern F-111 program. Another “please everyone and satisfy no one” approach to Military Industrial Complex spending. The Navy is just as complicit in both programs as anyone.
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“Are there depth limits?”
Nope. Sub don’t really go that deep in the first place. What really amounts to just a few hundred yards deep. Sure, something like 1,000 feet sounds deep, but you can practically throw a rock that far.
Totally agree. We built and flew thousands of aircraft in WWII (1939-1945, we built 303,713 total according to wiki), probably more than we could possibly build today. Yet, other than better precision of munitions today, imagine how utterly useless protecting the entire nation might become with just aircraft.
“That has been said repeatedly since about 1925. And it’s still a gross overstatement of the facts. “
Where are the battleships with their big guns? It was said in 1925 that battleships could never become obsolete, yet, they are.
That's not enough information to evaluate.
Is that a "Rods from God" type of weapon?
Sure, they are immediately imminent, but not quite.
If not kinetic, then Particle Beam? Laser?
Eight battleships remain afloat:
· Texas, commissioned March 1914.
Transferred to the state of Texas in 1948 as a memorial on the Houston Ship Channel.
· North Carolina, commissioned April 1941.
Dedicated as memorial in 1962 at Wilmington, N.C.
· Massachusetts, commissioned May 1942.
Transferred to the Massachusetts Memorial Committee in 1965 and preserved at Fall River, Mass.
· Alabama, commissioned August 1942.
Transferred to the state of Alabama in 1964 for use as a memorial at Mobile, Ala.
· Iowa, commissioned May 1943.
Berthed since 2001 in Suisan Bay, San Francisco, Calif., as part of the Reserve Fleet.
· New Jersey, commissioned May 1943.
Donated in 2000 to Home Port Alliance of Camden, N.J., for use as a museum.
· Missouri, commissioned June 1944.
Opened as a museum in 1999 at the Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.
· Wisconsin, commissioned April 1944.
Moored at the National Maritime Center in Norfolk, Va.
How ‘bout the F-35?
BBs might be coming back, as laser CIWS may nullify missiles. That would lead to guns and armor reemerging.
But tell me how we would have any military capability to take or hold ground beyond our own shores without a navy.
Concur, just pointing out that ships aren’t our only boondoggles.
All museum ships. Nothing active duty or anything that can become active. Certainly not anything modern warfare finds necessary to have anymore.
BB guns have, what, a 20 mile range? Not much for force projection in the area of advanced aircraft and missile technologies. As far as placing troops on the ground of foreign soil, heavylift aircraft can do that. Merchant marine ships transporting millions of tons of equipment and supplies would be needed, but most expensive Navy ships today are nearly useless minutes after any world war starts, and I am not so sure merchant ships wouldn’t be sitting ducks too. WWII will never happen as it did so war planning around carriers, subs, and beachheads are silly.
I am all for defense spending, not Military Industrial Complex spending. We should have the best troops with the best training, equipment, weapons and supplies. The nation should be able to train and have in reserve every able bodied adult. We should have a Navy, current to modern warfare and potential threats. BUT, we can do that for less than half of the wasted money spent on “defense” that we do today.
I am prior Air Force but I had to laugh and agree somewhat with a rather liberal, yet poignant, bumper sticker, “It will be a great day when the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber!” So much of our money is wasted. I’ve been on multiple $10 billion space and missile programs (MX missile and several satellite systems) that eventually were canceled, while having friends in the sniper programs tell me they are having a hard time getting money for bullets.
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