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Spoiler Alert: People With No Firearms Training Get Killed In Self-Defense Simulator
Townhall.com ^ | August 2, 2015 | Matt Vespa

Posted on 08/02/2015 10:38:51 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 08/02/2015 10:38:51 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

” people who have no firearms training “

If you have a gun, you should have training ...


2 posted on 08/02/2015 10:42:58 AM PDT by TexasGator
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we can agree that folks with zero training will probably die

That word, probably, is a huge variable in this equation. I'm skeptical.

3 posted on 08/02/2015 10:43:15 AM PDT by LouAvul (There is no more GOP. There is RAT, and RAT lite.)
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To: Kaslin

How many unarmed people were killed?


4 posted on 08/02/2015 10:44:36 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists: "There is no God and I hate Him!")
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To: TexasGator

I’ve been turning ammunition into skill for over 55 years now.


5 posted on 08/02/2015 10:45:30 AM PDT by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: Kaslin

Well, yes on training. But a simulator is also a video game, with a learning curve that may mimic real life to a greater or lesser degree.

My kids were great at driving games, much better than me, but scared the crap out of me for a few days when I first taught them to drive in a real car.


6 posted on 08/02/2015 10:47:03 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I recommend:

https://www.frontsight.com/

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com


7 posted on 08/02/2015 10:50:54 AM PDT by dvan (Send Them Home!Napolatono)
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To: Kaslin

Trojan horse operation.


8 posted on 08/02/2015 10:54:51 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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"Baltimore police report 45 homicides this month, making July the deadliest month since August 1972."

How much firearms training does the average Baltimorean bad guy get? It can't be too much. The simulator must presume that the average bad guy is better trained with firearms than the average taxpayer, and also that the bad guy will respond in a way that's likely to assure that the officer to be the one to survive the encounter. Isn't some training required for a CCW permit just about everywhere?

9 posted on 08/02/2015 10:56:00 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: TexasGator

My 12 gauge with magnum spreader loads doesn’t require much training beyond pointing it north, south, east, or west. Anything in those 90 degrees is getting peppered from floor to ceiling at 15 feet. Two of those loads are stacked with a buckshot load behind them if needed. Only one very narrow stairway brings you to our second floor. A county cop lives next door.


10 posted on 08/02/2015 10:56:44 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Kaslin

My life has been saved twice by concealed carry. Is there any reliable data as to how typical or non-typical is my experience? I have not seen any.

The reality is that we know nothing about “the dog who didn’t bark”. Nobody has ever tried to collect the data, to my knowledge. All data is anecdotal.


11 posted on 08/02/2015 10:58:58 AM PDT by spintreebob
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Remember, the simulator was located in Maryland!

Maryland doesn’t want ANY citizen, regardless of training, to have a firearm. So I wouldn’t put it past them to set the simulator to “insanely difficult”.


12 posted on 08/02/2015 11:00:26 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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people with zero experience in anything firearms-related aren’t going to fare well.

Where did they find people with ZERO experience with firearms?

13 posted on 08/02/2015 11:03:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Kaslin
I oppose requirements.

That said, GOOD firearms training is a must for gun owners. I don't think government should mandate it, but I think it's our responsibility on our own to get it. The NRA's personal protection course is a good start. The CPL legal training in Michigan is good to know as well.

While I think the rise of conceal carry is a good thing, I'm also seeing more cases of good shots - but also bad shots than in the past. I partially blame bad instructors for that as well.

14 posted on 08/02/2015 11:03:46 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Big talk isn't courageous at all. Trump's a bigmouth and a joke. Cruz or Walker have my vote.)
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To: TexasGator

I agree, practice, practice, practice........


15 posted on 08/02/2015 11:04:05 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: BenLurkin

In Maryland that wouldn’t be hard. They discourage firearms ownership.


16 posted on 08/02/2015 11:05:16 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin
You should be trained... but conversely how well did people do with “no gun” do in the training simulator?

A carrying a gun in your daily life for emergency can be thought of as carrying a parachute in a plane for an emergency

Yes using with a parachute in an emergency and no training is bad......but still not as bad as no parachute in the same emergency

17 posted on 08/02/2015 11:06:08 AM PDT by tophat9000 (SCOTUS=News peak)
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To: TexasGator
I, along with hundreds of other boys, at the age of 8, got a 10-minute safety lecture, and then proceeded to line up and shoot 50ft smallbore rifle for the NRA junior marksmanship program. We didn't shoot each, or ourselves.

the idea that guns are some magical, elaborate technology that require hours of training to operate safely is a liberal myth. I'm sure it's probably true for them, with their limited experience of anything outside the liberal realm, but for normal people, operating a gun is no more challenging than operating a toaster.

Now, it does require common sense, and some measure of good judgment, but you aren't gonna get enough of that in a couple hours of mandated traingin classes.

18 posted on 08/02/2015 11:06:22 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: spintreebob

I was forced to draw my weapon to protect myself.
My problem ended when I displayed my weapon and made it apparent that I would use it to defend myself


19 posted on 08/02/2015 11:06:22 AM PDT by South Dakota
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To: TexasGator
I, along with hundreds of other boys, at the age of 8, got a 10-minute safety lecture, and then proceeded to line up and shoot 50ft smallbore rifle for the NRA junior marksmanship program. We didn't shoot each, or ourselves.

the idea that guns are some magical, elaborate technology that require hours of training to operate safely is a liberal myth. I'm sure it's probably true for them, with their limited experience of anything outside the liberal realm, but for normal people, operating a gun is no more challenging than operating a toaster.

Now, it does require common sense, and some measure of good judgment, but you aren't gonna get enough of that in a couple hours of mandated traingin classes.

20 posted on 08/02/2015 11:06:30 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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