No, Donald Trump, Single-Payer Health Care Doesn't 'Work Incredibly Well' In Canada & Scotland

forbes ^ | august 7, 2015 | avik roy

[Boonie]

My point exactly...It IS a conservative plane....

[Timocrat]

it works incredibly well in Scotland.

He's talking about the British National Health Service which is the same in Scotland as it is in England Wales and Northern Ireland. It is plagued by massive cost over-runs, months long waiting lists for routine operations such as hernias and "death Panels" for seniors AKA " Liverpool Pathway". He's nuts.

[lewislynn]

Why shouldn’t Trump be stopped by Freepers?

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but "Freepers" have never stopped anything including who should have been the easiest to stop, OBAMA.

In fact I dare say some "freepers" probably voted for Obama at least once.

In the entire history of Freerepublic, not one conservative has been elected president.

I'm just saying.

[Red Steel]

Did not Trump say to do away with artificial lines around states (open up states for competition) and have PRIVATE healthcare away from government????

Yes, but many on this thread are blind about it.

[A Formerly Proud Canadian]

I disagree with one comment in the article, in fact, one of the sub-titles. It is not that the ‘tough’ cases are sent Stateside from Canada, but that those who can AFFORD quick service go Stateside. This does mean that the wait times for us ‘proles’ is slightly less because the wealthy leave the line and go South.

There are advantages and disadvantages for us ‘proles’ who live so close to the US. An advantage is noted above. A disadvantage is the number of doctors and nurses who are educated in Canadian universities at tax payer expense, who leave Canada for the more lucrative US medical market. Smaller towns and cities suffer from a lack of medical practitioners, so often the doctors (and many of the nurses) they get are from off-shore.

The fact that so many Canadian medical practitioners leave, after being educated through tax-payer funded universities, financed by tax payer funded loans and grants, SHOULD be an issue in this election! Because so many new medical grads go South, my tax dollars SUBSIDIZE the US medical business. THAT should not be the case.

AB Health is doing something to alleviate the shortage of doctors in AB. In East Calgary there is a medical centre where immigrant doctors work for six months to a year after they immigrate. It works well for the people of the Province, the doctors and AB Health. It allows people to be treated, it allows the doctors to gain experience in the Canadian system and build a client base for when they open their own offices, and it allows AB Health to monitor how the doctors deal with Canadian patients. I met my doctor through this program. I am quite happy with his service, though some of his front end staff could use improvement. It would be better if we could get more Canadian medical professionals to remain here, though.

[Reaper19]

I don’t know if managing to run your country into the ground qualifies as a smart plan to get people to move north.

[Conscience of a Conservative]

You ignore the reason wages are low in Mexico and the reason people send money from the U.S. to Mexico — our economy is much stronger than theirs, and our standard of living much higher.

[lewislynn]

that U.S. companies want to move production facilities there?

UH, actually that would be a reason why they ARE smarter.

[Conscience of a Conservative]

Exactly! The Mexican government is so smart that their people are desperate to leave.

[originalbuckeye]

Socialized Medicine works great for the healthy people. Not so much for those who need care. I worked in the British NHS. Doctors there are held in higher regard than here. They can make fun of you and dismiss your concerns by letting you know you aren't near as smart as they are. And when you or your loved one dies as a result of non-care, NO ONE WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. The incident that I am talking about happened to work colleague. Her husband was ill; they had an late arrangement to see their doctor at the 'surgery" (neighborhood clinic) to which they were assigned. The next morning, my friend's husband was dead. When she came back to work a week later, I asked what happened at the doctor appointment. Her doctor told them they were wasting his time, he shouldn't have bothered to stay late as her husband just had indigestion. Her husband died the next morning of an abdominal aortic aneurysm. I had seen him the previous day when he picked her up from work and his skin was an ugly color of gray. I am not a doctor, but even I could see he wasn't getting enough oxygen. In my line of work, I watched as two women in their 20’s died of cervical cancer because no one had let them know their pap smears were abnormal. The Doctor said it was the lab's responsibility. NO! Labs always send results to the doctor and the doctor notifies the patient of results. No one was held accountable and these two women left a total of 5 children to grow up without their mothers. No! No Socialized Medicine here!

[SoFloFreeper]

I winced when he said that. Awful faux pas.

[Reaper19]

That’s his position today. But considering his willingness to change positions whenever the winds blow a certain way, and his repeated belief that single payer government healthcare is so great, what are the chances that a President Trump will flip flop a year into office on this issue?

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

Yes.

What I find soooooooooooooooo annoying is this:

Many of our fellow conservatives are giving Trump a pass on a number of issues they would NEVER give to anyone else.

[Conscience of a Conservative]

UH, actually that would be a reason why they ARE smarter.

U.S. companies don't move their production facilities to Mexico because of the brilliance of the Mexican government. They move their facilities to Mexico because Mexico has a third-world economy, so U.S. companies can pay workers there $26 a day. And that's for auto workers - wages are much lower for unskilled labor.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Thank you SO MUCH for that post.

It’s worthy of a thread, and in the title ask other people to post their personal experiences with the NHS or Canadian system.

Maybe, “I Saw People Killed by the NHS — Post Your Experiences.”

I would love to bookmark it.

[mad_as_he$$]

Clearly you have never done business in Mexico. I have and they make the Chinese look like choir boys.

[riverdawg]

“Every Canadian I have talked to is happy with their healthcare system.”

I've had that same experience, but I can't square it with the many comments I have read on Canadian health forums and blogs bemoaning the outrageous wait times, congested ERs, and scarcity of family doctors. Canadians all think they know the deficiencies of the US system, but don't understand why theirs is worse than systems in Europe and the UK, all the while expressing opposition to the two-tier (public and private) model those countries have adopted.

[Boonie]

They move their production facilities to Mexico because the unions force them to pay floor sweepers in the USA $65,000 a year...

[bolobaby]

bingo.

In Canada, it would have been Lyme disease before they got the visit.

[DannyTN]

I’ve not really noticed Trump flip flopping. Seems to me that his change in positions has been mostly one way, to the more conservative views.