Posted on 08/17/2015 1:27:45 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
U.S. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., created a firestorm on Capitol Hill recently when he presented evidence the Centers for Disease Control destroyed data linking the MMR vaccine, (measles, mumps and Rubella) and autism. Posey based his indictment on the allegations of Dr. William Thompson, a 17-year veteran of the CDC, who became a whistleblower and charged in a report by Robert E. Kennedy Jr. that was published on WND his superiors pressured him to manipulate data in order to conceal possibly harmful side effects of the MMR vaccine.
It was in August 2014, Thompson alleged, the CDC hid data which revealed the MMR vaccine caused an increased risk of autism when administered to children younger than three years old, with an even greater risk for African-American children. Thompson stated he led or co-led three major vaccine safety studies while working for the CDC. After finding the risks for autism and the disproportionate impact on black children, Thompson charged:
"All the authors and I met and decided sometime between August and September 2002 not to report any race effects from the paper. Sometime soon after the meeting, we decided to exclude reporting any race effects. The co-authors scheduled a meeting to destroy documents related to the study.
"The remaining four co-authors all met and brought a big garbage can into the meeting room, and reviewed and went through all the hardcopy documents that we had thought we should discard, and put them into a huge garbage can. "However, because I assumed it was illegal and would violate both FOIA and DOJ requests, I kept hard copies of all documents in my office, and I retain all associated computer files. I believe we intentionally withheld controversial findings from the final draft of the Pediatrics paper..."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
When you come on the threads and claim the opposite of what "whistleblowers" reveal, expect push back. While you may worship at the altar of science and the learned scholarly class who dredge dollars for a living, many others do not. Questioning motives and conflicting study results is not contrariness. It is refusing to swallow so-called settled science and is the hallmark of a free and unshackled mind.
How deep is your head buried in that sand?
Details please. I've already looked at the Lewin Group cited in the reuters article
Science based medicine site linked to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25086160 whose abstract noted: Limitations of the study include that the majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for AEs (Adverse Events); and the severity of AEs was inconsistently reported.
The extract from the website http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367 cited by the Oxford Vaccine Group of the University of Oxford explains:
...Eligible studies assessed the relationship between vaccine administration and the subsequent development of autism or autism spectrum disorders (ASD). Two reviewers extracted data on study characteristics, methods, and outcomes. Disagreement was resolved by consensus with another author...
Finally, the newscientist Yokohama argument is the subject of scrutiny from some savvy moms at http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/when-doctors-lie-oh-hell-no/
He's already busted the news to WND........at least that's what they claim.
So his name and his claim is already out there.......What's there to lose?
But I digress, why hasn't he released his so called classified documents to someone like Erin Brockovich? Oh wait, he spilled the beans to Robert Kennedy Jr. You know him, he's the envirowacko Kennedy..........So whatever came of that?
” we protect the right of parents to make informed choices about what substances to inject in the bodies of our children.”
Well I would strongly agree with that.
But I would also say folks who don’t vaccinate kids are putting their kids in a very foolish risk and ignoring basic science.
Sure, we want a free republic. Faith is not always scientific, but up to now, America has defended this right.
So why destroy your career if it isn’t true?
Yeah well. differences is what makes things great.
In any case I don’t worship at some alter of science. I just find it interesting that even though people who would possibly be better served using their talents and abilities looking into other possible causes of autism and other ailments keep being sent back to look into things that have been time and time again found not to be the cause.
We can assume motives all day long, but in the long run, when the questions start becoming a repeating echo despite answers because we have to continue further to fight a giant that is not in the fight, a conspiracy long since past.
Some here argue that because the guy lost his license, then that means something? Could it maybe mean that he was wrong in the first place?!
Which would more likely cull humans? A mass outbreak of something we have vaccines to prevent or something people have put work into developing to prevent those plagues?
That’s where I find it silly that people can’t actually just think for once that we’re not surrounded by massive evil in the form of medicine providers that create the MMR’s when those companies, the doctors within them and the medicinal scientists working in laboratories to research better formula’s, just want to help?
I understand the concerns for those who have ill children, but what if they’re wrong and they continue striking out in the wrong direction?
After all, there’s money in studying if the vaccines cause autism or not right? Time and time again with example after example, MMR hasn’t been found to cause the ailments it’s blamed for, but people are still vocal because the study wasn’t done by the Almighty Himself?
I think that would probably be the only way to settle it with some people tbh.
Oh well. I hope they find the real cause of autism in the mean time.
1998 UK - Andrew Wakefield, a gastroentologist (stomach doctor) speculated that MMRs caused autism basedon as study he co-authored using only 12 subjects
Most of his co-authors left after his study started falling apart after scrutiny, but not before panicking people into refusing to get their children vaccinated.
That study is still causing children to run the risk of various ailments, spreading them and dying from them, thanks to the fraud that is the primary study.
Wakefield had been funded by lawyers who had been engaged by parents in lawsuits against vaccine-producing companies
We’re seeing outbreaks of things we’ve taken out thanks to vaccines in the past thanks to these anti-vaccination advocates.
The sad thing, children still develop autism even without vaccinations.
74 other studies have found no links between MMR and autism.
But there is a direct link to not being vaccinated for measles and children getting measles.
I’ve read the Wakefield tale. I’ve also read of data manipulation by CDC. I asked for you to provide hard evidence of those you wrote this...Concerned people in medical fields have spent a lot of time, money and effort looking into these claims about MMRs and continuously found those claims false... about.
The arguments claiming there is no link between autism and vaccines I’ve come across refer to sources where the devil can be found in consensus or the small print admittance of limitations.
Makes it difficult to believe modern scientific methods are much different from pre-Galileo days.
So a study done by a 12 falls apart under scrutiny that was being funded by class action lawsuit lawyers trying to make money off parents with sick children somehow is both scientific, not evil and worth almost 20 years of fear induced hysteria?
The claims are that MMRs cause autism.
Evaluations of the vaccines never found that they lead to autism.
The way to kill a bunch of people however would be to stop them from receiving the medications which would keep them from contracting and dying of a sickness.
I think regardless of what source I bring to you or wording I use to try to speak reason is just going to be met with paranoia buried deep within your psyche ever since you heard some version of the Wakefield study story.It spread like wildfire it did.
So I’ll let it be. You’re not going anywhere despite nearly 20 years of funded research attempting to show to parents, because medical practitioners and researchers care about children, that there is no link between MMR and autism.
If you can live with children getting the mumps, measles and everything else while regardless of not being inoculated, still developing autism at the same rate as those who were, then that’s on you man.
http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2014/03/75-studies-that-show-no-link-between.html
There. Look through all 75. Not saying you’ll be convinced, because I guess there’s some additional things that need to be met.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/
One of many entries by medical scientists that actually give a crap about kids enough where they’ve tried to put up a fight for the kids in this modern day not to die of mumps and other illness we have vaccines for.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/06/23/vaccine-injury-data.aspx
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
And that If you can live with children getting the mumps, measles and everything else while regardless of not being inoculated, still developing autism at the same rate as those who were, then that’s on you man.
Duuude, when I was growing up catching mumps, measles and chicken pox was a right of passage. Up to two weeks off from school if you timed it right. The years of fear and induced hysteria you refer to comes from your side of the field.
Unless you are locked in body mind and soul to the medical/vaccine rackets you ought to do yourself a favor and stop believing everything you're told by the CDC.
I seem to remember "science" telling us that margarine was better than butter.
I'm a scientist, and a cook. That's when I flipped them off, forever.
Oh - and it appears as though I was correct...
It’s not only the CDC that’s saying MMRs are not a link to autism, but we can ignore the other studies right? Because the medical field is full of scientists that just want to kill us all off?!
That’s fear mongering right there.
Also I went through all three of those illnesses and came out fine, so I’m okay with the freedom to not have a kid inoculated, never been against that either.
The only problem I see with the whole ordeal is the fact that I was reminded of, that peoples kids are being taken away when they can’t afford to home school or move. That’s sick.
Oh boy, butter and margarine argument is hardly in the same ballpark.
But then again I bet you’ve probably argued against liberals that use the rules for radicals and for whatever reason have taken on their behavior in order to fight fire with fire.
It’s okay though, as long as you’re not completely losing reasoning abilities and going full bore.
I will give you a better analogy. How about the Love Canal Disaster? Do you disagree that having the right to make informed decisions for our children is a natural right?
From http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/06/23/vaccine-injury-data.aspx
How Common Are Vaccine Injuries?
When the VICP was first created, if the injured party was denied compensation or was dissatisfied with the amount of the award, they could then proceed with a civil lawsuit with certain restrictions, depending upon the case.
Unhappy with this partial liability protection, drug companies kept pushing for complete liability protection and, in 2011, convinced the US Supreme Court majority to rule that federally licensed and recommended vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe” and that the VICP should be the “sole remedy” for all vaccine injury claims.9
I think it’s worth repeating, in case you just glossed over it: The reason you cannot sue a vaccine manufacturer for injury or death is because vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe.” At this point, vaccine manufacturers have virtually no incentive whatsoever to ensure the safety and effectiveness of vaccines that are recommended by federal health officials and mandated by state health officials.
The question you’re probably wondering is, so how safe, or unsafe, are they? The answer is, no one really knows, as appropriate safety studies haven’t been conducted.
It's important to understand that ALL vaccines carry a risk for provoking an immediate acute adverse reaction, such as anaphylactic shock, fainting, or having a seizure, which could be truly life threatening if you're driving a car or crossing a street, for example.
Further, vaccines can impair and alter immune system responses and can also cause brain inflammation (encephalitis or encephalopathy) that may lead to permanent brain damage.
In addition, as Institute of Medicine Committees have pointed out in published reports, some individuals are more susceptible to suffering harm from vaccines because of biological, genetic, and environmental risk factors but, most of the time, doctors cannot predict who will be harmed because there are few scientific studies that have evaluated vaccine risks for individuals.10
In your opinion. Both issues affect the health of millions.
Except where that CDC study showed a connection to autism and the linkage was hushed up, per the whistleblower from the CDC. Please explain away that fact, which could lead one to question what those other studies covered up.
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