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Paul Krugman "What Ails The World Right Now Is That Governments Aren’t Deep Enough In Debt"
Zero Hedge ^ | 08/22/2015 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 08/22/2015 11:37:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This was written by a Nobel prize winning economist without a trace or sarcasm, irony or humor. It is excerpted, and presented without commentary.

From the New York Times:

Debt Is Good

... the point simply that public debt isn’t as bad as legend has it? Or can government debt actually be a good thing?

Believe it or not, many economists argue that the economy needs a sufficient amount of public debt out there to function well. And how much is sufficient? Maybe more than we currently have. That is, there’s a reasonable argument to be made that part of what ails the world economy right now is that governments aren’t deep enough in debt.

I know that may sound crazy. After all, we’ve spent much of the past five or six years in a state of fiscal panic, with all the Very Serious People declaring that we must slash deficits and reduce debt now now now or we’ll turn into Greece, Greece I tell you.

But the power of the deficit scolds was always a triumph of ideology over evidence, and a growing number of genuinely serious people — most recently Narayana Kocherlakota, the departing president of the Minneapolis Fed — are making the case that we need more, not less, government debt.

Why?

One answer is that issuing debt is a way to pay for useful things, and we should do more of that when the price is right. The United States suffers from obvious deficiencies in roads, rails, water systems and more; meanwhile, the federal government can borrow at historically low interest rates. So this is a very good time to be borrowing and investing in the future, and a very bad time for what has actually happened: an unprecedented decline in public construction spending adjusted for population growth and inflation.

Beyond that, those very low interest rates are telling us something about what markets want. I’ve already mentioned that having at least some government debt outstanding helps the economy function better. How so? The answer, according to M.I.T.’s Ricardo Caballero and others, is that the debt of stable, reliable governments provides “safe assets” that help investors manage risks, make transactions easier and avoid a destructive scramble for cash.

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[L]ow interest rates, Mr. Kocherlakota declares, are a problem. When interest rates on government debt are very low even when the economy is strong, there’s not much room to cut them when the economy is weak, making it much harder to fight recessions.  There may also be consequences for financial stability: Very low returns on safe assets may push investors into too much risk-taking — or for that matter encourage another round of destructive Wall Street hocus-pocus.

What can be done? Simply raising interest rates, as some financial types keep demanding (with an eye on their own bottom lines), would undermine our still-fragile recovery. What we need are policies that would permit higher rates in good times without causing a slump. And one such policy, Mr. Kocherlakota argues, would be targeting a higher level of debt.

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Now, in principle the private sector can also create safe assets, such as deposits in banks that are universally perceived as sound....

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At this point we stopped reading.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; economy; government; paulkrugman
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To: SeekAndFind

Look, you need to give Krugman a little room here.

He has a reputation that needs to be preserved and that is not easy work. Once it became established as fact that he has never, ever been right about anything even closely related to economics he simply cannot allow that streak to end.

So I’m giving him a pass on this one.


21 posted on 08/22/2015 12:07:55 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: SeekAndFind

“What Ails The World Right Now Is That Governments Aren’t Deep Enough In Debt”

Past Nobel Prize Winners Hall of Fame

Yasser Arafat, 1994

Barack Obama, 2009

AlGore, Climate Scientist, 2007

Paul “Governments Aren’t Deep Enough In Debt” Krugman

Don’t let it go to your head, Paul.


22 posted on 08/22/2015 12:08:33 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: SeekAndFind
Rather go to bed with out dinner than to rise in debt. - Benjamin Franklin

Who are you going to trust, Ben or this yo-yo? I think I'll go with Ben.

23 posted on 08/22/2015 12:12:17 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: SeekAndFind

These people are their own parody!


24 posted on 08/22/2015 12:13:05 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("The politicians scattered like roaches" ~Ann Coulter" (Insult to roaches ~SB))
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To: SeekAndFind
I actually carefully read and parsed the original NYT article. What Krugman says is technically correct, but misleading and needs to huge caveats.

What he says if boiled down is that when interest rates are at an all time low, borrowing money for needed and useful infrastructure investment is a good idea. Correct, but only if (1) the investments have long term value and useful lives that exceed the term of the bonds, and that you can actually afford the investments on top of all other government expenditures.

What he did not say and should have also was that borrowing money for things that aren't long term useful capital projects, like funding public employee pension funds, or social welfare programs is exceptionally stupid.

However, the NYT article and many liberals don't want to pay close attention to the “details” they just want to focus on Debt is Good lets borrow and spend like drunken sailors.

25 posted on 08/22/2015 12:13:09 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

One of the hardest habits to kick bar none. Your sister needs to honestly think about getting out while the getting is good. She’s entitled to a decent less stressful life.

Threats don’t work. He has to want to get and stay sober. That’s up to him.

Believe me, I’ve been there with an alcoholic girlfriend.


26 posted on 08/22/2015 12:13:25 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: GeronL

Totally convoluted and extremely non-critical thinking.

There are dozens of reasons why solvency is good and debt is bad. Interdependency of debt balances SHOULD balance out, but why is one country left with “unsustainable” levels, yet virtually nobody has a POSITIVE balance?

Mortgaging our future and that of generations to come is no legacy.


27 posted on 08/22/2015 12:14:15 PM PDT by alloysteel (If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers.)
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28 posted on 08/22/2015 12:16:56 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DuncanWaring

All the fed has to do is sell those treasuries and the rates go up. They don’t have to raise interest rates they charge. Just sell all their 10s and 30s.

Problem is the bond market and the housing markets crash when the rates go up.


29 posted on 08/22/2015 12:18:34 PM PDT by poinq
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To: SeekAndFind

Paul Krugman is a loon.


30 posted on 08/22/2015 12:20:55 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This guy had his brains du joked out at Planned Parenthood.


31 posted on 08/22/2015 12:21:06 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Calpublican

Hard to do. Prayers.


32 posted on 08/22/2015 12:22:23 PM PDT by Calpublican (The Republican Party is corrupt!!!!!)
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To: Calpublican

Hard to do. Prayers.


33 posted on 08/22/2015 12:23:13 PM PDT by Calpublican (The Republican Party is corrupt!!!!!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Hard to do. Prayers.


34 posted on 08/22/2015 12:24:12 PM PDT by Calpublican (The Republican Party is corrupt!!!!!)
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To: Robert357

There is another thing left out. That government debt is rarely paid off. So when rates rise, debt rises. So there should be no correlation between low rates and the governments borrowing. Unless the government plans to hold rates down forever, borrowing (all spending) should be a factor of public value, not current interest rates.


35 posted on 08/22/2015 12:31:14 PM PDT by poinq
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To: SeekAndFind

Those who are part of the Federal Reserve do not make money if WE BORROW LESS MONEY.

It makes sense that THEY would want us to borrow more.


36 posted on 08/22/2015 12:31:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Greece should be doing TERRIFIC!


37 posted on 08/22/2015 12:44:32 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: SeekAndFind

Krugman is the dumbest person alive..


38 posted on 08/22/2015 12:46:40 PM PDT by freespirit2012
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To: poinq

Kind of painted themselves into a corner, haven’t they?


39 posted on 08/22/2015 12:51:30 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: rey

Krugman is the head Wet Bar Server at the Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.


40 posted on 08/22/2015 12:58:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (qu)
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