Russian jets in Syrian skies

Ynet News ^ | 08/31/15 | Alex Fishman

[Enlightened1]

Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria, deploying an aerial contingent to a permanent Syrian base, in order to launch attacks against ISIS and Islamist rebels; US stays silent.

Russian fighter pilots are expected to begin arriving in Syria in the coming days, and will fly their Russian air force fighter jets and attack helicopters against ISIS and rebel-aligned targets within the failing state.

According to Western diplomats, a Russian expeditionary force has already arrived in Syria and set up camp in an Assad-controlled airbase. The base is said to be in area surrounding Damascus, and will serve, for all intents and purposes, as a Russian forward operating base.

In the coming weeks thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisors, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division, and the pilots who will operate the aircraft.

Past reports have stated that the Russians were in talks to sell the Syrians a package of MiG-29 fighter jets, and Yak-130 trainer jets (which can also serve as attack aircraft.) The current makeup of the expeditionary force is still unknown, but there is no doubt that Russian pilots flying combat missions in Syrian skies will definitely change the existing dynamics in the Middle East.

[SJackson]

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[McGruff]

Islamic State has used chemical weapons for the second time during an attack on the northern Syrian town of Mare’ - @SkyNewsBreak

I wouldn’t object to them being on the receiving side of some of the same.

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[laplata]

“Leave Trump out of this”.

You didn’t answer me. What does Trump have to do with this?

[Rebelbase]

"Obama is fouling things up so badly that the people will welcome a ‘savior’ to come in and save them."

[laplata]

“Obama is fouling things up so badly that the people will welcome a ‘savior’ to come in and save them.”

I was referring to the anti-Christ, not Trump. You read into it wrong.

[laplata]

Besides, Trump or Cruz or any of the rest of them will not be able to fix this mess. Man is not capable of repairing the damage. People who have faith in any of them are deluding themselves. The GOP can’t even slow down the train wreck.

[duckln]

Trump has essentially said, Putin is a guy he can talk to.

[Sawdring]

Cue the Grinch:

White House Believes 20,000 Sophisticated Missiles Missing in Libya

[SeaHawkFan]

The big mistake with Iraq was not creating three separate states; Sunni, Sharia, and Kurds, with some consortium to run the oil fields and refineries for the benefit of the three states.

[SeaHawkFan]

That is because Islam is incompatible with a republican or democratic form of government.

[laplata]

I agree. And Joe Biden suggested that or something similar.

[Little Ray]

That and tribalism. Most tribes interpret winning an election as “Our turn to loot!”

[Trumpinator]

I think I also posted this story.

[Eleutheria5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqEtq34dSUo

[Jeremiah Jr]

Hey, it’s better than staying at a school and reading books to children... /sarc

Jeremiah 50

43 “The king of Babylon has heard the report about them,
And his hands grow feeble;
Anguish has taken hold of him,
Pangs as of a woman in childbirth.

Verse 43 and Pangs as of a woman in childbirth Yea, that's our Bush

46 At the noise of the taking of Babylon
The earth trembles,
And the cry is heard among the nations.

Nuclear war...

[Cronos]

gog/magog does not refer to Russia -- i.e. Magog is NOT Russia but Turkey

The correct identification of Magog with Lydia and not Scythia is consistent with the ancient texts of the Assyrians, who at various times were either the allies or the foes of the Scythians, but had peaceful dealings with the Lydians, who they also referred to as "Magog." Within academia today, no professional archeologists, historians or serious Bible researchers associate Magog with the Scythians or the Scythians with the Russians. The truth is that modern scholars have unequivocally documented that a group of Scandinavian Viking traders called the Rus began the Russian state during the mid AD 800's, and gave their name to Russia. Therefore there is no historical or factual basis for any connection of Russia to Magog.

Magog is NOT Russia but Turkey -- Ankara is north of Jerusalem

The reliable, clear and detailed records of Assyrian Royal Court show they dealt directly with each of these nations about 100 years before Ezekiel wrote. These are the same records that are referred to in Ezra 4:15, 19 and 5:17-6:7. These passages tell how the Jews of the fifth century BC 538 BC–457 BC overcame opposition by the local Persian governor to the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem by referring to these same Assyrian cuneiform court records.

The Assyrian Court records show dealings with Magog, Meshech, Tubal, and Togarmah (Ezekiel 38:3-6), the nations that stretched across ancient Asia Minor (modern Turkey) from west to east. From these records we also learn that the ancient nation of Gomer (Ezekiel 38:6), an enemy of the Assyrians invaded Asia Minor by coming down from an area around the northeast shore of the Black Sea. Archeologists know that the militant leader called "Gog" in Ezekiel 38/39 led a confederacy of these nations against invading Gomer.

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Gog is a historical man who the Greeks called Gyges of Lydia. In Gyges of Lydia we have the leader the Assyrians called "Gugu, King of Ludu," and "Gugu of Magugu," who is referred to in the Bible as Gog of Magog. "Magog" simply means "the land of Gog." In Akkadian ma means land, so in Akkadian Ma- gugu means "the land of Gugu," which becomes our Ma-gog. (Just as the Assyrian eponym for the land of the leader called Zamua is rendered as Ma-zamua). Magog is an eponym for the ancient nation of Lydia that was in the westernmost part of Asia Minor. The Assyrians often referred to a new land by the name of the first leader they learned of from this land. The Assyrians dealt with Lydia through Meshech, who were subsequently defeated by Gomer, and thus the Assyrians finally came to deal with Lydia directly. In the prophecy of Ezekiel 38/39 Gog is being used as a "historical type" of the "antichrist" who is prophesied to come during the end times, and Magog is being used as a "historical type" of "the land of the antichrist."

[Cronos]

Not really, that's too simplistic -- the Shah was opposed by many groups, the majority being secular. But, just like in the 1917 revolutions in Russia, the most bloodthirsty party won in the end

The trouble in the middle east stems to:

1. British support for the Wahabbi-Saudi alliance in 1917-1918
2. British and French not creating separate lands for Syrian Christians, Assyrian Christians, Kurds (including Yazidis) and Alawis, but carving up the land arbitrarily
3. the 1970s and Saudis oil wealth being used to spread Wahabbiism further
4. The 1979 overthrow of the Shah -- I don't see how the USA could have prevented this
5. The 1991 Gulf War which took out a secular dictator -- Saddam -- who was threatening the Ayatollahs and the Saudis both
6. the 2003 invasion of Iraq that didn't split the country three ways

[Cronos]

Correct, Putin on this particular case, is the lesser of the two evils

[Cronos]

The Russians are no longer communist — oligarchists or sheer autocrats yes, but communist, not any more