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No Movement That Embraces Trump Can Call Itself Conservative
National Review ^ | 09/05/2015 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 09/07/2015 3:40:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 09/07/2015 3:40:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

But Jeb Bush was a solid conservative, right?


2 posted on 09/07/2015 3:43:05 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jonah’s saying he would rather lose with losers than win with winners.


3 posted on 09/07/2015 3:43:47 PM PDT by AU72
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To: SeekAndFind

“Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.”

Politicians are like diapers: they must be changed frequently.

The GOPe doesn’t understand that, so they get Trump. Go pound sand Jonah.


4 posted on 09/07/2015 3:44:03 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: SampleMan

Yes, and John McCain. Boehner and McConnell are two conservatives that meet the Jonah Goldberg litmus test.


5 posted on 09/07/2015 3:44:58 PM PDT by anton
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To: SeekAndFind

So who are viable options if not Trump? If mass immigration isn’t shut down, all this will be irrelevant, the U.S. will be transformed into the northernmost nation of Latin America, and American conservatism as we know it will not be viable either. So once again, who is a viable option? It’s a legitimate question. The first principle of conservatism is to conserve the nation.


6 posted on 09/07/2015 3:45:03 PM PDT by River Hawk
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To: SeekAndFind

No movement that continues to back the same old warn out Leftists the GOPe prefers, is a Conservative movement.


7 posted on 09/07/2015 3:45:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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But Jeb Bush was a solid conservative, right?

SO TIRED OF THIS! This election is going to rend the Republican party into three factions: the GOPe, Trump supporters, and true Conservatives. I've been a solid Cruz/Walker supporter, but at this point, if Trump doesn't completely fly into a mountain, he's going to be the nominee.

I've been praying that he turns out to be another Reagan insomuch as no one really believed an actor had the chops to hack it in DC.

8 posted on 09/07/2015 3:45:25 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: anton

Yep, they are.


9 posted on 09/07/2015 3:45:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: SeekAndFind

National Review is part of the republican establishment. Screw them.


10 posted on 09/07/2015 3:46:15 PM PDT by boomop1 (Term limits is the only source of change.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I consider myself a very hardcore conservative and I was given the “choice” to vote for McCain and Romney the past two presidential elections. Any party that will put up RINOs like that can’t “call itself conservative” either. I guess I’m just SOL again.


11 posted on 09/07/2015 3:46:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Cecil the Lion says, Stop the Slaughter of the Baby Humans!!!)
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To: tumblindice

“Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.”

That was said by Ronald Reagan.


12 posted on 09/07/2015 3:47:00 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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Time will tell whether this perspective is prophetic, pessimistic or irrelevant.

To some extent, Trump will be forced to become as conservative as his support base. McDonalds would be out of business if they switched to fried chicken from hamburgers.

There is also the apparent angst of a self-appointed conservative aristocrat who fears the common touch (one can tell that from the jibe about the Trumpen proletariat). It’s not just the common touch but the lack of need for guidance from Olympus which has always marked the National Review (and which to some extent was required at some early stages when it was WFB and not mortal men up there on the summit).

But mostly, it is just fear of the unknown. Trump could settle into his new role as voice of the conservative resistance to political correctness. Or he could tire of it and move on to some new task leaving us searching for a better option (Cruz, probably).


13 posted on 09/07/2015 3:47:10 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview the next five years)
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To: SeekAndFind

Any candidate that would tolerate the continued existence of the GOPe isn’t a conservative. I guess that leaves us with Trump.


14 posted on 09/07/2015 3:47:12 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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To: SeekAndFind

What Trump wants to do, and more:

Specific Details:

Secure the border, keep America safe.

Bring back jobs from China and Mexico.

Re-energize America’s entrepreneurial spirit.

Preserve Social Security and Medicare via Strong US growth
(not by raising taxes)

Make America energy independent.

Rebuild our Military and world-standing.
(not slow them down)

Re-establish trust with our allies.

Undo all America-harming Obama policies/deals.

Require countries we protect to contribute financially instead of taxing America.

Rebuild our roads, bridges,electrical grid, airports.

Support our military personnel ad veterans.

Stop corporations from moving jobs out of America.

Restore national pride and the American dream.

Stop countries from stealing our military technology.

Reduce our crushing national debt.

Prohibit countries from manipulating their currencies so US companies can compete.

Trump/Cruz 2016!!! All the way to the White House!!!


15 posted on 09/07/2015 3:48:00 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ("It's the hard working, tax paying citizens of the United States that are suffering..."Go TRUMP 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

The black pot messenger of the GOPe comes to tell us that the Trump kettle is black too.


16 posted on 09/07/2015 3:48:35 PM PDT by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Well, if this is the conservative movement now, I guess you’re going to have to count me out.”

As a Southern Agrarian paleo-con, I never counted you in, sugar.


17 posted on 09/07/2015 3:50:42 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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To: rarestia

Are any true conservatives running? I thought Cruz was one. Now I saw his statement on another thread regarding the so-called “humanitarian crisis” and it was to the left of Trump. I have given up on a true conservative this time. At least Trump recognizes the problem of Mexican invasion and has slowed the left’s PC tyranny.


18 posted on 09/07/2015 3:50:50 PM PDT by Jane Austen (Recall Gov. Nikki Haley, aka Nimrata Randhawa)
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To: SeekAndFind

America would be better off with Jonah and
the stinking, lying, antiAmerican RINOS
eaten by whales.


19 posted on 09/07/2015 3:51:53 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: Diogenesis

While a Conservative is the goal...the overarching issue is getting rid of the traitor-to-their-electorate gop-e. Never vote for those fools.


20 posted on 09/07/2015 3:54:01 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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