Posted on 09/19/2015 9:40:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I remember the good old days when liberals who wanted to tear down the symbols of the Confederacy were assuring us that it was only an issue when it flew on taxpayer owned, public property over the seat of government. Other than that it was a question of free speech. (Or racism or oppression or whatever you like.) Remember that line? Ah, good times, my friends. But that’s long since ceased to be the case. As many of us predicted, this trend was going to spread like pubic lice at an Occupy Wall Street camp, and it has been doing so right on schedule. This week the battle turns to a school in Virginia where students were suspended over their refusal to remove clothing carrying the hated symbol or take if off of vehicles in the school parking lot. (Yahoo News)
About 20 western Virginia high school students were suspended Thursday after holding a rally to protest a new policy banning vehicles with Confederate flag symbols from the school parking lot and refusing to take off clothing displaying the symbol.
Christiansburg High School Senior Houston Miller, who organized the rally, said he doesn’t believe the administration should be able to tell students what they can wear or put on their vehicle. He said he doesn’t intend to back down and is encouraging more students to show their support for the flag Friday.
“I feel like I should have the right to wear whatever I want, and I’m standing up for this,” Miller said.
The dress code at the school in Christiansburg — south of Blacksburg along Interstate 81 — prohibits students from wearing articles that reflect adversely on people because of race, gender, or other factors. A new policy this fall bans students from having Confederate symbols on their vehicles in the parking lot.
Leaving aside for a moment the political correctness gone wild here, this is a complicated issue when it comes to free speech because we’re dealing with underage students and school property. As far as the clothing goes, every time one of these arguments pops up we seem to be forced to go back to the Supreme Court case of Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969). This has been a rather unsatisfying case because of the vague nature of the court’s finding. That dispute centered on students wearing black armbands to protest the war in Vietnam and the court held that the school could not force the students to take them off. Unfortunately, they gave an extensively qualified reason for it which allows a lot of wiggle room in terms of what schools can suppress.
In this famous decision, the Court ruled 7-2 that public school officials could not censor student expression — the wearing of black armbands, in that case — unless they could reasonably forecast that the student expression would cause substantial disruption or material interference with school activities or would invade the rights of others.
Those are some gaping caveats that you could drive a truck through and lower courts have cited the decision to both support bans on clothing and to deny them. What qualifies as a disruption? What sort of clothing or symbols cross the line of “invading the rights of others” in this case? In this politically correct climate, modern college campus theory seems to hold that anything which offends you or makes you want to scurry off to a safe room or demand a trigger warning would be an invasion of your rights. As to clothing that could “cause a disruption” on campus, that’s seems an empty standard. If someone is offended by the Confederate Battle Flag or by a Black Lives Matter t-shirt, all they need to do is start one fight in the hallway and you’ve established a disruption.
The cars in the parking lot are another question. Most of the cases that crop up regarding vehicles in parking lots seem to center on whether or not you can leave your gun there. For the most part it seems to be found that you can, but again we’re talking about a public school, not a private employer, and we’re talking about children rather than adults. At a quick glance I didn’t find a case which covers this specifically, but the parking lot is still school “property” just as much as the playground, the football field or the sidewalk where the buses drop the kids off. There are also likely to be students hanging out there at various times, so I’m guessing that a court might treat the cars the same as they would the clothing issue. (There’s probably a case out there which will cover this and it will turn up as soon this article is published, I’m sure.)
In the end, even if these kids and their parents go to court, it’s probably going to come down to yet another question as to whether or not the flag constitutes a “symbol of hatred and racism” or a part of the region’s history and a symbol of southern pride. Which way would it go? Your guess is as good as mine. It all comes down to what sort of a judge they get I suppose. But good for the kids for taking a stand on what should obviously be a free speech issue.
Obama has succeeded in starting a second civil war.
So when do we ban the sodomites and their supporters from wearing the sodomite rainbow flag on school property, and public schools having “gay/straight alliance” days?
Heck, if it really is a disruption, why can’t someone just say, as did the mayor of Baltimore, to just give them room to destroy (someone’s little perpetually offended feelings)?
Remember when gays activists only wanted to be de-criminalized and they didn’t want civil unions or marriage or foster/adopted children?
Remember when the government promised that your social security number could and would only be used for social security and it would be prohibited from being used for anything else?
Remember when...... the lists of the past are many.
But what about our sides’ gullibility?
My friends argue for the federal government being able to tell a private employer who can and cannot be employed. Anyone who thinks that will be implemented as its supporters intend is really gullible.
He tweeted a picture of him and his family, with the caption “Headed to see my lawyer”, though that may be a paraphrase of the actual verbiage. Many are now suspecting it was a designed act for the sole purpose of suing.
how many schools will now ban the book 1984
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And replace it with “Bobby has two daddies” or “Dreams of my father”
“Does this mean that soon I’ll be unable to drive on federal roads outside my state?”
In Virginia (courtesy of our capetbagger scumbag governor) they recently recalled “sons of confederate veterans” license plates.
So, yes, that is exactly what will happen
Well then I have another reason for thanking God that I’m quite content to be where I am and foresee no reason to leave anyway.
“Obama has succeeded in starting a second civil war.”
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It certainly looks like he has been preparing for it. If he is preparing, part of it would be to destroy symbols of any previous rebellion.
And so do I. Any government money that school gets comes out of my taxes and I don’t want the Stars And Bars on the property. We have one flag in America, paid for in blood time and again, The Stars And Stripes.
The majority.
It is called “selective outrage”. There are other Confederate flags you can fly and no one will even notice, not even if you go to a college campus.
But then, there are foreign flags which will outrage them because they look too much like the Confederate battle flag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Novorossiya
“””So, you’re saying that in you’re in favor of banning the wearing - by private persons (library patrons, etc.) - of politically controversial symbols while on public property (e.g., while visiting a library or police station)?”””
Actually just the opposite. I’m saying that the school is public place like library. Thinking that they can ban the symbol in the school means they must also think they can ban it in the library.
Have they held a vote to see if that’s what the majority wants?
mt ss. card says right on it not for id.from early 50’s
We have one flag in this country.
Actually just the opposite. I’m saying that the school is public place like library. Thinking that they can ban the symbol in the school means they must also think they can ban it in the library.
I am relieved to hear that. Unfortunately, I can imagine some people (fortunately, not here at FR) using that same argument to ban the wearing or display of "offensive" symbols on all public lands (nat'l parks, police stations, libraries, etc.).
Regards,
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