Posted on 09/23/2015 9:53:03 AM PDT by Trumpinator
The middle east and America have the same problem in 2015. Their/our people aren’t capable of governing themselves intelligently. Idiocracy is the new normal thanks to liberals running our education systems.
We both have proven it for the past 7 years. Chaos is the logical result.
Another good question is why are these obvious Putinista shills allowed to remain here to do what they do? Why aren’t they booted off?
In other words, let the Russians take control of the Middle East? Is that what you are saying?
You favor Imperial America? Is that what YOU are saying? Because you don’t get it both ways.
WTF business is it of ours WHAT sand rats do?
None. If they act up, nuke them. Otherwise, hands off.
We have oil.
Moscow will reportedly provide Russian troops in Syria with an advanced antiaircraft missile system as part of its military support for Syrian president Bashar Assad.
"This system is the advanced version used by Russia, and it's meant to be operated by Russians in Syria," a Western diplomat who is regularly briefed on US, Israeli, and other intelligence assessments told Reuters.
And as The Daily Beast's Michael Weiss points out, any antiaircraft missiles deployed by Russian troops in Syria won't be directed at ISIS, since ISIS has no air force.
In fact, none of the rebels do — only government forces have access to aircraft.
Russia has substantially increased its military presence in Syria over the past two weeks under the guise of helping the embattled Assad fight ISIS and other extremists. ..."
(Excerpt) Read more at Business Insider ...
“Even if Russians operated the [anti-aircraft] missiles and kept them out of the hands of the Syrian army, the arrival of such an advanced anti-aircraft system could also unsettle Israel, which in the past has bombed sophisticated arms it suspected were being handed to Assad’s Lebanese guerrilla allies, Hezbollah.
“In the Middle East you never know what will happen. If the Russians end up handing it (SA-22) over to the Syrian military I don’t think the Israelis would intervene but they would go bananas if they see it heading towards Hezbollah in Lebanon,” the diplomatic source said.
An Israeli military spokesman declined to comment on the missile system. A senior Israeli defense official briefing reporters on Thursday said Israel was in contact with Moscow and would continue its policy of stopping advanced weapons reaching Hezbollah.
“We have open relations with the Russians who have come to save Assad in the civil war. Along with this, we will not allow our sovereignty to be compromised or the transfer of advanced or chemical weapons (to Hezbollah). We are following the developments and keeping open channels with Moscow.” “
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/us-mideast-crisis-syria-arms-idUSKCN0RB1Q020150911
ETL alerted me to this thread. I did some math on the scale of the forces Putin has moved into Syria:
There are 12 to 14 vehicles (tanks) per company unit. 3 companies per battalion. 3 battalions per brigade. 3 brigades per division.
That works out to about 400 tanks per DIVISION. Putin’s moved TWO armored divisions into Syria. He’s also moved 100,000 infantry. If you round up, not down, that is 20,000 men per infantry division, which makes FIVE INFANTRY DIVISIONS. Typically, there’s about 10,000 men per division, so 20,000 would be a very large division.
OK, so that is 2 armored, 5 infantry divisions. In WWII terms, that is two Armored Corps. A Corps is made up of two or more divisions of military assets. These corps consist of at least three divisions a piece, or in this specifica case six divisions a piece if the Russians assign only 10,000 infantry per corps. The only unit bigger than a Corps is an Army. Two Corps per Army.
Putin has moved in an entire Army unit into Syria. An Army unit is commanded by a four-star general. For example, Patton commanded the 3rd Army in Europe, and the 7th Army in Africa.
An Army is used to take over multiple countries - five, six, seven at a time. It is used to establish regional control. It is not used to apprehend and destroy a band of sick, well funded religious fanatics. The Kurds are doing this with carbines and squads of female fighters. If they had some equipment, ISIS would be done.
Even the regular Nigerian army is having no trouble dealing with Boko Haram when they put their back into it.
Now lets talk about the bombers, all 170 of them.
20 planes per squadron, three squadrons per wing, three wings per group. 180 planes per group.
Putin’s got an entire bomber group in Syria. Bombers generally don’t go anywhere without fighters, but there is no news report on that. We all know what bombers do. If you have air superiority, whatever you don’t have in tanks, you make up for with bombing assets. Coordinate your attack, move your tanks through, and then bring up your infantry to hold the ground you just took.
All told, Putin has moved two Army Corps and one Bomber Group into Syria.
The US has a Tank Division in Saudi Arabia. One division.
From the overhead cam in the stadium, it looks to me like the Chinese are getting ready to push us out of Asia, and the Russians are getting ready to push us out of the Middle East, and it looks like they are getting ready to coordinate this activity at the same time.
How this is not leading the news, or causing R Senators and Congress people to crap their nickers is beyond me.
Time’s running out. 18 months left before Obola leaves. He’s cut the military, and we’ve already conceded we can’t fight two theaters.
If you were Putin, would you hock the wedding china to consolidate all the oil right now? Is what Putin learned from Afghanistan in the 1980s ‘Go big or stay home?’
Add an EMP attack on the continental US and we go from first to worst inside of a single calendar day, globally. What would remain would be the US Navy, and the strategic missile force, which would be useless since Putin didn’t REALLY go nuclear (he’d have to in order to launch an EMP attack on the US, but then we’d have to prove it first).
Maybe that’s why that General - the one overseeing the task force on dealing with ISIS quit yesterday. He’s probably moving his family to Canada, or Costa Rica.
I haven’t done the research on what we mobilized to invade Iraq, but I would bet it wasn’t a force this large. Moreover, for regional stability, we’d have to move something similar into Saudi Arabia to keep the scales balanced, SA cool, Israel protected, and this stupid freakin deal in place.
Today is the 23rd. Six days after Obola said the Iran deal went into effect on its own.
If this development doesn’t kill that idiotic deal, I don’t know what will. I don’t think we had an entire Army in the ME during Desert Storm. I’m going to check.
Source:
https://twitter.com/AmirTaheri4/status/646655298065833984
Note - he doesn’t mention fighter assets here. He also doesn’t mention SAM, or Surface to Ship missile assets here. Official Iranian TV reported it.
Nothing here in the US. Nothing in the WSJ. Nothing on Fox. Nothing on CNN. Nothing on Reuters.
The news in the US is pathetic.
Ezekial 38 - the chief princes of Meshech and Tubal are coming to take a spoil:
“8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.”
...
“15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.”
I agree, ISIS is just an excuse for the Russians to step in (along with Obama’s “convenient” incompetence).
Their real goal is a strategic foothold in the Middle East to expand their influence, just like all of Putin’s little adventures lately have been intended to restore Russian influence and weaken the West.
That sounds like too many.
Why else would any nation do what it does?
Do you have a source other than a tweet to support those numbers? The numbers posted at various news outlets outside the US have tanks @ less than 20, troops less than 1,000.
OK, gotcha. Thanks!
One more observation. If hell breaks loose in the ME, if Saudi Arabia is attacked, the Europeans will continue to by energy from the Russians. They don’t have a choice. As such, the invasion of Saudia Arabia and the ME may actually finance itself, since the price of oil is going to go up sharply, and suddenly.
Europe is already on its back economically. Tripling the price of energy makes it a lot less likely they will be able to spin up enough military force in a short period of time to counter the inevitable western push once the ME has been consolidated. While Russia is mopping up the ME, Europe will be diverting money it needs to re-arm into keeping the lights on. Iran/Russia runs the ME. India’s not an issue.
This is what happens when you back a petro-state like Russia up against a wall without a plan to completely finish it off. He’s got less than a year and his entire economy collapses. THIS IS WHY HE ORDERED HIS CULTURE OFF OF WESTERN PRODUCTS. ‘Learn to deal with what we make, because it isn’t going to be around much longer.’
If Russia takes Saudi Arabia, then between Iran and Russia, they control Europe AND the Middle East.
You don’t move this much hardware to deal with a civil war in Syria. You use the civil war in Syria, and ISIS as a causes belli for taking Saudi Arabia. Since most of the distance they have to move to get to SA is through Irsq.
350 miles across Syria, Less than 200 miles to cross the southern tip of Iraq (just passing through!) to avoid Jordan, and you are on the northern border of Saudi Arabia. It’s less than the distance from Washington State’s northern border to the southern border of Oregon.
The Iraqis could defend that border if they wanted to. If they bombed a path through it, then forget it.
And, if you are worried about the hearts and minds thing, don’t. This is Sunni v Shiite, with Iran aligned as an axis against the Sunnis.
If they Iraqis don’t agree, run over them with your tanks, Allah will give you a pass.
Anyway, this happens soon if it happens at all. It will also happen quickly. If the Russians use EMP to give the US something to deal with while it does all of this business, it would take about two years, and by then 90 percent of our population will have died of starvation or disease.
We won’t care what’s happening to Israel.
I don’t have another source.
However, there was a pretty poorly written piece this AM on Drudge that said, ‘the US is warily watching Russian military developments in Syria’.
Bottom line - Iran’s official government TV news outlet DID post these numbers. Until you debunk that, you have to take those numbers seriously.
One thing I noticed yesterday was that news about Afghani troops raping boys made this board in force about two days ago. I heard it yesterday on Fox News Radio around 11 AM yesterday.
The only way to counter something like this is to tell the Russians that no matter who launches a missile at the continental land mass of the US, from a barge or a sub or whatever, we are launching against you in full force. You have to tell them this, issue the orders to your generals for this course of action, then you have to look Putin in the eye and tell him this personally, and he’s got to believe you.
Whatever we have left is coming your way.
Thanks for all that. But where exactly do those figures come from? From what I gather from that Twitter link you provided in the followup post, it looks like it's from some Iranian TV station.
Ok, I see you posted a reply to that same question here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3340322/posts?page=38#38
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