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Rick Santorum accuses Ted Cruz of supporting �amnesty� for illegal immigrants
washington times ^ | 9/25/2015 | Seth McLaughlin

Posted on 09/25/2015 9:47:22 AM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum vowed Friday to pursue immigration policies that protect American workers, while warning voters that some of his GOP rivals have embraced a much softer approach to the issue. Mr. Santorum, the runner-up in the 2012 Republican nomination battle, urged the crowd that converged on a hotel in Washington, D.C., for the annual Values Voter Summit to recognize that a couple of the speakers before him — Sens. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz — have previously supported “amnesty” for illegal immigrants. “You have a lot of people that come up here and talk about how tough they are, but they actually support amnesty. The speaker just before me running for president, he will tell you how tough he is,” Mr. Santorum said, alluding to Mr. Cruz. “He offered an amendment to allow people to stay in this country indefinitely. To me, that is amnesty.” Mr. Santorum has struggled to gain a foothold in national polling and is running near the back of the pack. With that as a backdrop, the 57-year-old has staked a lot in the immigration debate. He also has touted the conservative record he compiled in Congress, including authoring legislation aimed at changing the leadership of the Iranian government. Mr. Santorum served in the House from 1991 to 1995 and in the Senate from 1995 to 2007 when he lost his re-election bid to Democrat Bob Casey Jr. by a 59 percent to 41 percent margin.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; cruz; gorickgo; illegalimmigration; immigrants; immigration; jobs; ricksantorum; santorum; santorumsux; sweatervest; tedcruz; trump; visas
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Correction: TPA


101 posted on 09/25/2015 1:00:59 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Cruz has defended his support and then non support of TPA very effectively.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/420181/cruz-now-no-tpa-andrew-c-mccarthy

Corker: without the Corker bill, Obama would not have had to submit the TREATY ( because that is what it is, even if no one will call it that) at all. The “executive action” you decry is exactly what Corker was meant to prevent. At least with Corker there was some debate. Also, President Cruz now has full legal authority to declare the treaty null and void, as it did not follow Corker or the Constitution.


102 posted on 09/25/2015 1:04:16 PM PDT by brothers4thID ("We've had way too many Republicans whose #1 virtue is "I get along great with Democrats".")
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

Why is R. Santorum even still running?


103 posted on 09/25/2015 1:04:49 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes, people do have a hard time with making distinctions these days don't they!

One has nothing to do with the other!

104 posted on 09/25/2015 1:06:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: brothers4thID

This is a quote from that interview (Politico):

“Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz clashed with Fox News host Megyn Kelly on Tuesday night over whether the Texas senator would deport immigrants who came to the United States illegally if their children were born in the country.
When Kelly pressed the Texas senator on what he would do as president, Cruz said that he’s “not playing the game” and declined to answer the question.”

Kelly was operating under the assumption that the children of illegals were “Americans” (Cruz refuses to refute that, for all his supposed expertise on the Constitution). Cruz refused to say he would deport the parents (illegals). The point of the question is deporting illegal immigrants, not their children. The 14th amendments, used to justify citizenship for children of illegals, actually forbids citizenship for children of illegals.

7% of the children born in the United States last year were children of illegals. As Trump says, only the leaders of the United States could be stupid enough to try to make them citizens.


105 posted on 09/25/2015 1:06:41 PM PDT by odawg
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To: brothers4thID
It's Inexplicable! The US Senate Delivers Nuclear Weapons to the Terrorist State of Iran on the Anniversary of 9/11

RUSH:

.... Essentially what the Corker Bill did was reverse the treaty process ..... It was changed by statute. It said that for the Iranian deal, all Obama had to do was get 34 votes. The treaty requires 67. The Corker Bill says he only needs to get 34 votes

106 posted on 09/25/2015 1:15:00 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: odawg

Ok yes that is the same interview I linked above. It deals with birthright citizenship. The question asked “would you deport American citizen children of illegals” is a stupid one.

You cannot deport Americans. Now if we had a ruling from the courts on birthright citizenship, then yes we could depart the children and their illegal families because they are not citizens. Until that time all that you can do is deport the families and allow them to take their child with them.

To use this as an example of Cruz being “for amnesty” is disengenous at best, and libel at the worst.

I hope this link clears up any confusion :
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/25/cruz-accuses-megyn-kelly-of-asking-mainstream-media-liberal-question/


107 posted on 09/25/2015 1:15:40 PM PDT by brothers4thID ("We've had way too many Republicans whose #1 virtue is "I get along great with Democrats".")
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To: opentalk

No it did not. It said that this specific deal had to be submitted to both Houses of Congress for approval. It did not change the Constitutional requirements for treaties.

I would very much like to live in a world where, when Obama enacted the Iran deal by executive fiat, he was sued by Cruz and other Senators in order to prevent its enactment. And that in that lovely fantasy world, the Court ruled in a expeditious manner in order to stop the treaty.

You might as well ask me what colour the sky is in my fantasy world...


108 posted on 09/25/2015 1:19:46 PM PDT by brothers4thID ("We've had way too many Republicans whose #1 virtue is "I get along great with Democrats".")
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To: opentalk

You guys never give up on this FALSE claim do you ..??

The H1B Visa has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION.

Please stop trying to make them partners.

The H1B Visa is simply for use by a company to import people with advanced degrees, in order to help a company enhance its productivity and earning power. [Cruz sees this Visa as a way to get our country back up and running; since colleges are not turning out as many advanced degree people with the degrees WE NEED to get back in business; producing products.]

H1B Visa’s are expensive - they are paid for by the company wanting the H1B person. The Govt does not pay for these people. The H1B visa has an expiration .. and the company is required to renew the visa and pay another fee, or the person MUST return home.

When are people going to get it. THIS ACTION IS NOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION. These people do not always stay. Some of them, especially those who are single will usually return to their home country in order to marry and have a family.

People need to stop spreading false stories about H1B Visas.


109 posted on 09/25/2015 1:20:11 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: brothers4thID

” Until that time all that you can do is deport the families and allow them to take their child with them.”

That is Trump’s plan.

“To use this as an example of Cruz being “for amnesty” is disengenous at best, and libel at the worst.”

You admit that they can be deported. The law already demands they be deported. If they can be deported, and they aren’t, then that is AMNESTY, is it not?

He has previously come out for “legalization” for illegals. That is also amnesty.

You need to look up the definition of libel.


110 posted on 09/25/2015 1:23:44 PM PDT by odawg
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To: FreeReign
Trump supports an expedited import of illegals back into the country for the good ones.

How many good ones are there? And if indeed they are "good ones" that would imply they wouldn't be the drain on the economy that the vast majority of illegals are now.

111 posted on 09/25/2015 1:25:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: opentalk

I am quite aware of all the above mistakes that Cruz made ( and he himself is aware of them).

But I am not looking for perfection, I am looking for WHO IS MOST CONSISTENT in this batch of candidates.

If we’re looking for perfection, we might have not nominated Ronald Reagan signed into law a liberalization of abortion that led to an explosion of abortions in the nation’s largest state as governor.

Tactical mistakes are just that, tactical mistakes, that does not mean that Cruz isn’t pushing the fight right now to stop the Iran deal. He’s at the forefront of it right now.


112 posted on 09/25/2015 1:25:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (What is the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
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To: The Final Harvest
Ousted American workers sue DHS over new guest-worker expansion

Displaced U.S. workers who were pushed out of their jobs by immigrant replacements are suing the Department of Homeland Security over a new rule that would allow the spouses of guest workers to enter the job market.

“The larger implication is that Obama is arguing he has the executive authority to allow anyone to work in the United States,” “[He] started with the children, then the parents, and now the spouses of H-1B workers.”

DHS on May 26 will begin accepting applications to grant employment-eligible status to spouses of immigrants with H-1 visas,... Previously, immediate family members were granted an H-4 visa, which allowed them to stay in the country but banned them from gaining lawful employment. The new H-4 rule will add as many as 179,600 new foreign workers in the first year and 55,000 annually in subsequent years, according to DHS.

113 posted on 09/25/2015 1:41:13 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: odawg
You've circled back around to your erroneous claim that Cruz is against deportation and is for Amnesty.

Please circle back to every link I posted.

You can deport the FAMILIES of anchor babies. Under current legal rulings it is unclear whether those children are citizens. You cannot deport the children until their status is clarified. Which is what Megyn asked. She didn't ask about deporting the parents. She said “Would you deport US citizen children?”

It's the old “when did you stop beating your wife?” question. It's also a careful parsing of words, which is what lawyers do. Cruz is smart enough not to fall for the ridiculous trap.

Libel: a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.

114 posted on 09/25/2015 1:45:23 PM PDT by brothers4thID ("We've had way too many Republicans whose #1 virtue is "I get along great with Democrats".")
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To: dfwgator
How many good ones are there? And if indeed they are "good ones" that would imply they wouldn't be the drain on the economy that the vast majority of illegals are now.

We have at least 20 million illegals. So far Trump has mentioned druggies, criminals and rapists as not being the good people.

So how many does that leave?

Look, all Trump has to do is say that "the good ones can come back, if they go to the back of the quota line and wait their turn.

115 posted on 09/25/2015 1:54:39 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: The Final Harvest; opentalk
H-1B Is Designed to Allow Employers to Replace Americans with Cheap Foreign Workers
H-1B Is Designed to Allow Employers to Pay Foreign Workers Extremely Low Wages

"the country has more than twice as many workers with STEM degrees as there are STEM jobs. Also consistent with other research, we find only modest levels of wage growth for such workers for more than a decade. Both employment and wage data indicate there is no shortage of STEM workers in the United States." - http://cis.org/no-stem-shortage

116 posted on 09/25/2015 1:56:38 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: Maris Crane

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/h1b/index


117 posted on 09/25/2015 1:58:19 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: opentalk

And .. you’re sure these are H1B “workers” .. which sounds funny to me .. because most of H1B people would be Engineers, managers, project managers, etc.

H1B people are not “immigrants”. They just have a Visa to work at a particular company; they are not immigrating to the USA.

Somebody is jerking your chain.


118 posted on 09/25/2015 2:02:06 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: The Final Harvest
You don't know what you are talking about. H-1B visas for the most part eventually get their green card. All of the naturalized H-1b vote Democrat.
119 posted on 09/25/2015 2:04:55 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Well, I hate to differ with you, but H1B people are not CHEAP LABOR. They are advanced degree people; engineers, managers, project managers, etc.

Those people make really good money .. they are not immigrants looking for work.

Some union (probably) is feeding you a bunch of garbage.


120 posted on 09/25/2015 2:06:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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