Lies, Carly Fiorina and Abortion [Were the Videos fabricated?]

New York Times ^ | 09/29/2015 | Ross Douthat

[SeekAndFind]

There has been an impressive amount of angry liberal commentary, which has spilled over into the mainstream press coverage (or do I repeat myself?) of the issue, about how in the last Republican presidential debate Carly Fiorina allegedly cited an entirely imaginary video in order to make a crazy claim about Planned Parenthood’s brain-harvesting ghoulishness that’s totally unsupported by the facts. Here’s Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick, in a representative rant, attacking Fiorina’s “big fib,” the sheer “enormity” of which has shaken Lithwick’s faith in honesty in politics and journalism:

Nobody—not even Fiorina’s staunchest defenders—can say that these videos that clearly don’t exist are real. Even one of the most brazen defenders of the imaginary videos, Jonah Goldberg, opens with this concession to the petty, mewling fact-checkers: “[T]hey have a point. The exact scene, exactly as Fiorina describes it, is not on the videos.” (The article could felicitously end there, but Goldberg goes on to defend the statement under the theory that since “[m]ost Americans are morally appalled by late-term abortions,” Fiorina might as well supply them with pretend images to go with their preconceptions.)

Not even the most robust defenders of Fiorina’s defense can say much more than that some of the images grafted onto the sound bite might not be completely false. And yet there is still no word from Fiorina, her campaign, or her super-PAC to indicate that she misspoke, or misremembered, or confused some other video with a video about Planned Parenthood. There seems to be no place in the middle for Fiorina to just put out a statement saying, “Hey, I misspoke. Sorry.”

[Aleya2Fairlie]

. “Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, it’s heart beating, it’s legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.”

No such thing exists. What will she say when they ask her to show it to them?

[angryoldfatman]

I agree. She should have done all those things and not come out with a contrived video ad to further damage her credibility.

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What contrived video ad? Are you talking about what she said at the debate? If so, why are you so angry and snarky about it?

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“Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, it’s heart beating, it’s legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.”

No such thing exists. What will she say when they ask her to show it to them?
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The video of a fully formed fetus on a table, weakly moving its legs, doesn’t exist? Are you sure about that?

[Mase]

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[shhrubbery!]

The video of a fully formed fetus on a table, weakly moving its legs, doesn’t exist? Are you sure about that?

Oh it exists alright:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/29/graphic-content-carly-fiorina-was-right-group-releases-full-abortion-video-mentioned-in-gop-debate/

Caution: the video at the link above shows a real abortion of a real, live, kicking, intact baby boy.

Yes, the little boy in this video is very small, too small to survive for long, now that he has been forcibly aborted. But he lives a surprisingly long time -- for at least several agonizing minutes, while the "clinician" coldly pokes and tosses him about with metal scissors. He is too weak to react this torture, but you can see he still has reflexes. And you can see his pulse beneath his fragile skin.

I warn you, this is tough to watch, but watch it to the end, if you can. This video should be beamed onto the walls of Congress, and onto the walls of the White House. The horror it shows is undeniable.

[shhrubbery!]

No such thing exists. What will she say when they ask her to show it to them?

Watch the video for yourself:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/29/graphic-content-carly-fiorina-was-right-group-releases-full-abortion-video-mentioned-in-gop-debate/

I dare you to come back and try denying reality again.

[shhrubbery!]

This is the video Carly Fiorina is referring to:

Carly Fiorina was right; Group releases full abortion video

I'm posting it as a link to make it easy for the PP deniers above.

Caution: it is very graphic and very, very real. No matter how tough you are, if you have a heart, the cruelty shown in this video will make you cry.

[Repeal The 17th]

You should probably just shut the hell up about now.

[Repeal The 17th]

What this if you dare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8_WEFq15Q

[angryoldfatman]

Thank you, shhrubb.

I had seen the short, edited version in the CMP video. That one was enough for me.

But the one you linked to was much more horrific.

I tremble at the judgment that awaits those who carry out, and justify, such evil. I wish there was a special place in Hell for them. That’s not nice of me, but that’s how I feel about murderers of innocent children.

[Aleya2Fairlie]

You are missing what Liberals will use to beat the subject to death. The video of the baby on the table moving exists but there is no audio and no one will attest to where it came from or where it was filmed. Thus, it enables Liberal nuts to bring up it’s edited state and that it was cobbled in. Don’t think that they won’t. One doesn’t win a battle with liars with more lies.

[Aleya2Fairlie]

The video of the moving fetus was to show what a fetus of that gestational age might look like. It was ADDED as a reference. It was not the fetus mentioned in the undercover video. No one wants these people punished more than me. In this case and with these people; strict adherence to the details will make or break the case against them.

[angryoldfatman]

You are missing what Liberals will use to beat the subject to death. The video of the baby on the table moving exists but there is no audio and no one will attest to where it came from or where it was filmed. Thus, it enables Liberal nuts to bring up it’s edited state and that it was cobbled in. Don’t think that they won’t. One doesn’t win a battle with liars with more lies.

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There are no lies in anything Fiorina said. There is audio as she described, saying the things she described.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMAycMMXp8

Times: 4:20-4:35, 5:38-7:30

Also, as I said before, there is absolutely no liberal in the mass media who will get anywhere near the videos. Even if Carly were lying (which she is not), no liberal there could possibly point out the details on the video of where she lied. Must keep the leftist sheep happy and bleating!

By the way, the MSM is now backpedaling, though they’re still claiming the fetus is not on any CMP video. Fiorina is winning:

http://time.com/4053578/abortion-carly-fiorina-planned-parenthood/

Would you like me to send you some Kleenex for your tears of outrage?

[angryoldfatman]

In this case and with these people; strict adherence to the details will make or break the case against them.

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No it won’t. Liberals lie and accept lies and contradiction all day long. You could be the most detail-oriented OCD-driven truthteller on the planet, and the Left would still call you a liar.

These are the same people who can look at the life of the most truthful man who ever walked the planet, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and declare Him a fraud and say He never even existed!

The one thing that all of the other conservative candidates could learn from Trump is the same lesson that both Patton and the Left (God forgive me for lumping them together in the same sentence) could teach them: Don’t ever be on the defensive; attack, attack, attack!