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Vatican fires gay priest on eve of synod
kdhnews.com ^ | October 3, 2015 | Associated Press |

Posted on 10/03/2015 5:01:30 AM PDT by navysealdad

The Vatican has fired a monsignor who came out as gay on the eve of a big meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church outreach to gays, divorcees and more traditional Catholic families. Monsignor Kryzstof Charamsa was a mid-level official in the Vatican's doctrine office. In newspaper interviews published in Italy and Poland Saturday, Charamsa said he was happy and proud to be a gay priest, and was in love with a man whom he identified as his boyfriend.

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1 posted on 10/03/2015 5:01:31 AM PDT by navysealdad
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To: navysealdad
"Charamsa said he was happy and proud to be a gay priest, and was in love with a man whom he identified as his boyfriend."

I'd hope that if Charamsa said he was happy and proud to be a heterosexual priest, and was in love with a woman whom he identified as his girlfriend, he would have been fired, too.

2 posted on 10/03/2015 5:07:11 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: Sooth2222

...oh, he’d be shot for that kind of offense.....


3 posted on 10/03/2015 5:09:08 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: navysealdad
"Despite his dismissal, Charamsa remains a priest."

Anyone see a problem here?

4 posted on 10/03/2015 5:09:49 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: navysealdad

This is how the sex abuse scandal should have been handled from the beginning

Immediate firing, and active prosecution


5 posted on 10/03/2015 5:09:57 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: navysealdad

You can be as big of a queer child-molester all you want....just don’t tell anybody. (Vatican Don’t ask, don’t tell)


6 posted on 10/03/2015 5:12:20 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republican Freed the Slaves" month.)
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To: Sooth2222

This guy apparently published a “gay manifesto” from his office! But I’m sure if he’d announced he was living with a woman and was advocating for a married clergy from his office, he would have been removed.


7 posted on 10/03/2015 5:19:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Anyone see a problem here?

No. You can't un-priest a priest. Just like you can't un-baptize someone who is baptized.

8 posted on 10/03/2015 5:21:46 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

A defrocked priest. He can take up with God when the time comes.


9 posted on 10/03/2015 5:23:19 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Can’t he still be defrocked?


10 posted on 10/03/2015 5:32:55 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: navysealdad
He'd surely be happier as a Unitarian/Universalist anyway.
11 posted on 10/03/2015 5:33:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

No. You can’t un-priest a priest. Just like you can’t un-baptize someone who is baptized.

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Unless I’m mistaken, that’s not much different than protestant Ministers. A person can still be a Minister, whether said Minister has a congregation or not, is a different matter.


12 posted on 10/03/2015 5:41:33 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.)
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To: FamiliarFace
Can’t he still be defrocked?

What do you mean by defrocked?

13 posted on 10/03/2015 6:01:05 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"Despite his dismissal, Charamsa remains a priest." Anyone see a problem here?

As with baptism, the effect of the sacrament of Holy Orders cannot be removed.

Laicized priests are removed from public ministry.

Full Question

I've heard that when a man leaves the priesthood, he undergoes a process called "laicization," which takes away his priestly powers, making him a regular layman. Is this correct?

Answer

It is only partly correct. Laicization is a process which takes from a priest or other cleric the licit use of his powers, rights, and authority. Laicization occurs automatically when a priest, deacon, or monk marries or joins the military without permission. Major clerics (priests and deacons) are directly laicized through their superiors by the penalty of degradation. The Holy See also has the privilege of laicizing major clerics.

Laicized clerics are forbidden to wear clerical dress or to perform ceremonies or to administer the sacraments ordinary to their former offices. Priests who are laicized are required to continue practicing celibacy, although dispensations from this discipline are frequently given. Otherwise, laicization renders a cleric for ecclesiastical purposes the equivalent of a layman.

The supernatural mark of holy orders and the powers connected with the sacrament (especially for the priest) remain even after laicization, although they cannot be used licitly. A laicized priest has the power to confect the Eucharist. Although to the world he may live as a layman, in a sense "once a priest, always a priest."


14 posted on 10/03/2015 6:10:35 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: navysealdad

So, will the Vatican soon start letting gay priests get married, or will they stick with ‘don’t ask don’t tell’?


15 posted on 10/03/2015 6:20:40 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yes. The problem is in the reporting or the lack of it. Once ordained, a man is a priest forever, exactly as a man and women married are married forever. Question is, will he serve Mass and hear confessions?


16 posted on 10/03/2015 6:36:46 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: navysealdad

So like Kim Davis, they will say whoever made the decision was unknown, took the Pope by surprise, and apologies will be made as the Pope welcomes another homosexual couple.


17 posted on 10/03/2015 7:04:06 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: navysealdad

One thing about Francis, he has certainly encouraged the long concealed villains to come out of the church hierarchy woodwork, thinking themselves protected. This means that if the next Pope is conservatives, they will be a lot easier to purge.


18 posted on 10/03/2015 7:06:43 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I thought that was what excommunication was for


19 posted on 10/03/2015 7:38:48 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Suz in AZ
I thought that was what excommunication was for

No, excommunication doesn't unbaptize, unmarry, unbishop or unpriest.

20 posted on 10/03/2015 7:51:48 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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