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Daily fantasy sports sites ordered to shut down in Nevada
http://www.cbsnews.com/ ^ | 10-15-15 | CBS

Posted on 10/15/2015 5:26:31 PM PDT by dynachrome

Nevada regulators have ordered daily fantasy sports sites like DraftKings and FanDuel to shut down, saying they can't operate in the state without a gambling license.

The decision comes amid growing backlash by investigators and regulators over the sites, which have grown in popularity in the past year.

The sites insist they are skill-based games and not chance-based wagers, and are therefore not subject to gambling regulations.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: gambling; nevada; sports; taxes
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To: Robert DeLong

I’m watching the Dodgers Mets game and by now I would have had to sit through 10 fan duel ads and it’s only top of the 4th. For that relief alone I’m glad about this.


21 posted on 10/15/2015 6:19:21 PM PDT by Bullish (Face it, insanity is just not presidential.)
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To: dynachrome
The sites insist they are skill-based games and not chance-based wagers, and are therefore not subject to gambling regulations.

Which is absolutely true.

The feds (McCain being a chief antagonist) challenged the season long fantasy games back in the mid-nineties. ESPN, Sporting News, there were dozens of media-sponsored games with substantial cash prizes.

We had to prove those were games of skill and we did. Why are the daily games any different? Same scoring, same rules, just a shorter cycle.

22 posted on 10/15/2015 6:25:26 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: . IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Rome2000
Be interesting to see who is behind these operations.

Major League Baseball bought Draft Kings.

23 posted on 10/15/2015 6:28:21 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: . IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Robert DeLong

I realize Wikipedia is not a good source to mention on FR, but in a case like this I don’t think the basic facts are controversial.

That’s where you can find info on the history and ownership.


24 posted on 10/15/2015 6:28:45 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Leaning Right
Morgan Fairchild

She is almost as old as I am!!!
And my kids think that I'm over a HUNDRED!

25 posted on 10/15/2015 6:40:50 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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To: Robert DeLong
the FBI, CIA, & Doris Day are investigating the heck out of them both with lots of allegations of insider advantages as they seem to bet on each others websites, and like 17% win 90% of the winnings.

You are misreading the results. The fact that 17% of the participants collect 90% o the winnings is proof that they are games of skill. The most skilled players win the most money.

This is also the case in the season-long games which were legally challenged back in the mid-nineties. Basically, the same people won them every year.

The season-long games eventually proved their case and their legality was accepted. Since the scoring is basically the same, the rules are basically the same and only the term of competition has been changed -- from one season to one day (or one week) -- there is no reason why these games aren't legal, too.

26 posted on 10/15/2015 6:40:52 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: . IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: dynachrome

"Yeah, well let's cut out the bullshit. I don't want to spend any more time here than I have to. You can have the license, the price is 250,000 dollars. Plus a monthly payment of 5% of the gross -- of all fantasy take. Mister Fan Duel "
27 posted on 10/15/2015 6:55:42 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Bullish

I actually believe this. The catch is he started with $35 and won say $1,000 then lost a $1,000 then won it back and so on. You can argue at any point that he won a $1,000 or $10,000 or $2,000,000. What they’re not telling you is how much he currently has in the account, which was probably $35.


28 posted on 10/15/2015 6:57:16 PM PDT by DeltaZulu
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To: nascarnation; okie01

MLB is behind this?

Bunch of greedy hypocrites.

Pete Rose has got nothing on Joe Torre and Rob Manfred in the shady department.


29 posted on 10/15/2015 7:51:46 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: Rebelbase

“My offer is this, nothing.”


30 posted on 10/15/2015 7:59:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Rome2000
Pete Rose has got nothing on Joe Torre and Rob Manfred in the shady department.

Whatever on God's green earth is shady about it?

It's a game.

31 posted on 10/15/2015 8:04:28 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: . IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
You are misreading the results. The fact that 17% of the participants collect 90% o the winnings is proof that they are games of skill. The most skilled players win the most money.

Why would this be evidence of skill vs. luck? Why wouldn't the luckiest players win the most money?

32 posted on 10/15/2015 8:17:49 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo
Why would this be evidence of skill vs. luck? Why wouldn't the luckiest players win the most money?

Because it's a game of skill -- like chess. Some people are better at it than others -- chiefly because they work harder to understand the game.

It's not a game of luck -- like roulette -- in which case you'd expect to see the winners distributed randomly.

33 posted on 10/15/2015 9:51:33 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: . IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
It's not me misreading anything, it is what was being reported on several sites reported.

Like I said, I know nothing about these sites, don't care to know anything about these sites, and really could care less how the rulings go down on these sites, because I will never participate in playing on the sites

Just regurgitating what I found out trying to do a little research on these sites since their ads had become more pervasive on TV & radio.

34 posted on 10/16/2015 2:56:27 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: nickcarraway

The state’s government IS organized gambling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%26R_Partners


35 posted on 10/16/2015 2:59:31 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: Bullish
Yeah FanDuel seems to be the more pervasive, not even sure if I ever seen a DraftKings ad.

I see the Mets beat the Dodgers and will now face off with the Cubbies. Not that I am a Cubbies fan, but I guess I feel sorry for their long draught, so I'm hoping they win. Would at least like to see them make the World Series.

36 posted on 10/16/2015 3:04:02 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
How can the state of Nevada ban these games and sites? The games are played in the internet. How would they know if someone in Nevad goes on these sites???

perhaps all that "metadata has nothing to do with intruding on privacy" is all a lie...

I'm guessing it would be after the fact punishment because you know the Feds are monitoring to insure the IRS gets its cut - that likely gets reported to the States too. The real test is if they can prove it was done on a computer actually located in Nevada....

Probably un-Constitutional but who really cares these days.......

37 posted on 10/16/2015 4:22:30 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Bullish

Ditto that.


38 posted on 10/16/2015 5:26:25 AM PDT by sjm_888
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To: okie01
It's not a game of luck -- like roulette -- in which case you'd expect to see the winners distributed randomly.

I don't really have an opinion on whether fantasy sports betting is based on skill or chance, but I don't think the distribution of the winnings indicates anything either way.

If you had a lottery where 100 people each bought a ticket and there were 17 winning tickets, then 17% of the players would collect 100% of the winnings. You could make the distribution of winnings whatever you wanted it to be by changing the number of winning tickets. No skill involved.

39 posted on 10/16/2015 8:11:40 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

Do the same 17% win consistently over time? Because it sounds much more plausible that there’s more potential for overlap winners over time picking combinations of fantasy players, at least to me. I mean there’s probably folks out there that do absolutely no research and just pick their favourite players every time regardless.

freegards


40 posted on 10/16/2015 8:28:08 AM PDT by Ransomed
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