Posted on 10/16/2015 8:44:47 AM PDT by VinL
Guiliani and Fred Thomson were not drawing stellar crowds and beating the Dem candidate in swing states like OH. I’m afraid these comparisons just don’t equate.
Absent an alien abduction Trump is the GOP nominee.
But they were. Read this from the New York Times in 2007:
Mr. Giuliani often played to large crowds in New Hampshire and through the Deep South; everyone seemed to love his tough talk on terrorism.
mobile.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/us/politics/30giuliani.html?pagewanted=all&referer=
I live in the South Rudy Guiliani was not drawing 20,000 people not even close.
This month in 2011 we attended a Newt Gingrich speech where 600 people showed up in a hotel ballroom. It was considered yuge. He was getting heavy press for drawing crowds of 1,000. That’s what you were talking about then Guiliani was running.
He was drawing big crowds everywhere, not just in the south. I just provided you with the m no. Plus Giuliani led the national polls for far longer than Trump has so far and still lost.
Should Read : I just provided you with the link.
And I’m telling you back then a big crowd was 1,000 people not 10,000, 15,000 or 20,000 like Trump. Rudy Guiliani never drew crowds like that and you know it.
How do you see any of the other 15 candidates eclipsing Trump? They are all about as exciting as a flea circus and nobody trusts them. Unless Trump commits an unforced error he’s the nominee.
You can argue all day and night about the “gargantuan” Trump crowds, it doesn’t change one whit what the polls were for Giuliani sand Thompson this time 2007(quite similar to Trump and Carson poll numbers today),and the fact that neither Giuliani or Thompson won even one state.
Today, Sanders is pulling in huge crowds, a heck of a lot more than Hilary Clinton is:
But then Hilary is still comfortably ahead in the national polls. You are going to have to come up with something better than “huge crowds”.
I don’t have to come up with anything. Donald Trump is leading every poll in every state and nationally heads and shoulders above every other candidate. His rallies and I have been to one are sheer pandemonium. The networks turn the sound down on TV but you can hardly hear yourself think.
This is a totally different election cycle than anyone has ever seen before. People are sick and tired of the govt and the politicians. They want something different. Trump is promising to make big change and do it quickly. That’s what everyone wants.
Like I said before absent an alien abduction Donald Trump will be the next GOP nominee and he will steamroll over Hillary Clinton like she’s not even there.
I’m just hoping Trump is smart enough to take Ted along for the ride. I think he would be an outstanding Attorney General.
Again, President Rudy Giuliani or President Hilary Clinton from 2008 say “Hello”.
However, the establishment has never been more hated by the base than now.
You make a good point.
Now.
Carjic, there are different phases in life. Highly motivated business people are always on. They glad hand everyone and say something good about everyone.
Some of this rhetoric and financial support is paper thin and not indicative of ideological kinsmanship. It’s indicative of the recognition that somewhere down the road, one of these people may be needed.
Now that may seem evil to you or I, but we don’t have a multi billion dollar business on the line. We don’t have 22,500 employees whose families are depending on us.
Now at a time in his life when he is firming up his own set ideals, he is seemingly moving to a more Conservative stance on issues.
In some instances that may be quite accurate, and in other we may just not have known his true views over the years.
In 2000, Trump was anti partial-birth abortion. As time progressed, he became more pro life. Around 2010, he could no longer buy into the idea it was simply a matter of choice.
This is a progression that matches my own. Today I have a hard time thinking of a situation where abortion is the answer.
The man sees illegal immigration they way I do. He sees the need to get the budget under control. He sees the need to get the military up to speed. His views are the same as mine with regard to the second amendment.
His instincts on when to use the military seems well grounded.
I like his plans for replacing Obama care with a private sector replacement.
Perhaps given some time you can see this as I do.
Generally we are asked to evaluate candidates who have been political figures for decades. Trump presents a different situation, and it calls for us to think a little outside the box, as he comes up to speed.
Yes, we do see guys try to tell us they’ve changed even though their circumstances didn’t. Trump’s circumstances have definitely changed, business owner to political candidate.
When you sit down and talk to economic advisers, and advisers in other fields too, you listen to them and develop a sense of what makes sense.
There’s no sin in having developed some wrong headed notions over time. It’s when you sit down and really study the issues, that you solidify your stances.
Trump decided to go Conservative. He didn’t want to be a part of the Democrat party. And going beyond that, he isn’t just going through the motions.
The other night when he knew it would be unpopular, he apologetically stated he was pro-life to that girl. (I know you won’t like this, but I am pro-life.)
We are fortunate that Trump has good advisors, and he has been listening.
Look at how fast he changed his stance on the Syrian refugees. Someone got to him fast on that one, and the next day he qualified his prior statements to acknowledge importing young military aged men almost exclusively, was not something we should be doing.
That’s pretty remarkable, and I do not think it was just to win votes. He addressed why, and got it exactly right. You can only do that if it makes sense to you, and that made sense to him.
You can tell when a guy is lying, because he’ll tell you what you want to hear, but he can’t explain it.
Trump can, and has over and over.
Listen to this entire interview and tell me that this man is not the only choice we have. If you still think Trump is the guy after that I cannot say anything else. Good Luck.
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