US Navy is worried Russia planning to cut the undersea cables that carry 95% of internet traffic

Business Insider via Reuters ^ | 10/26/2015 | Peter Cooney

[citizen]

LOLOL

[91B40]

We began offensive operations against Spain in 1898 by cutting cables.

[arl295]

The cloud was only a marketing gimmick to those who don’t understand technology. It is really just a building full of Dell or HP servers connected to a high speed internet line. You would be surprised how many people didn’t understand this.

[az_gila]

How many years have there been undersea communication cables? One hundred by now???

1858, Ireland to Newfoundland.

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But no real commercial voice links until 1956... from wiki -

When the first transatlantic telegraph cable was laid in 1858 by businessman Cyrus West Field, it operated for only three weeks; subsequent attempts in 1865 and 1866 were more successful. Although a telephone cable was discussed starting in the 1920s, to be practical it needed a number of technological advances which did not arrive until the 1940s. Starting in 1927, transatlantic telephone service was radio-based.

TAT-1 (Transatlantic No. 1) was the first transatlantic telephone cable system. It was laid between Gallanach Bay, near Oban, Scotland and Clarenville, Newfoundland between 1955 and 1956 by the cable ship Monarch. It was inaugurated on September 25, 1956, initially carrying 36 telephone channels.

[tophat9000]

’m surprised. I really thought much internet and phone communications nowadays went through satellites. I thought the Trans Atlantic cable was so 20th century. I stand corrected.

Yes it the opposite.. fiber optic cable is the modern way..satellite or microwave is old 60's tech and out of date...on a satellite line you have many issues.. just the delay because of the uplink downlink is not acceptable..then interference in free space radio transmission

all modern long data transmission is on a hard line fiber optic cable...and going in the water has many advantage the going across land.....

what you see many time is if you want to lay a fiber optic cable and your on the coastline.. they will just daisy chain along it in the water rather the go across land

I did 7 years of data backbone management for a global data provider.. we had fiber paths circling the world...it was my job to keep the data flowing on all these data paths...knew most all then undersea cables by name like you would know the local roads where you live

[GOPJ]

Geo-Stationary satellites hover about 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above the earth. So even though radio waves travel at the speed of light (186K/sec) the time it takes a signal to be sent to a satellite, be processed, and then get relayed back down to Earth is a factor.

Sounds like 'process time' is the problem. Anyway around that?

[Lou L]

Intercepting data and injecting misleading data are far more valuable tricks than cutting one data route off.

Based on the book, "Blind Man's Bluff," I know that this is how we first intercepted Soviet cables with our submarines. Communications were probably less encrypted and less complex in general 3 or 4 decades ago. That in mind, I suspect that these cables are built with more shielding to prevent any sort of induction leak.

[SaraJohnson]

Boy would that be stupid. Americans will hate Russia.

[bert]

I’m still here.....

that’s what counts to me

[TADSLOS]

...and shut down the lucrative Russian hacker enterprises? I don’t think so.

[A Navy Vet]

I stand corrected. Just relaying what I read. However, would not military systems be more efficient than news comm satellites? And what about all the source processing in the undersea fiber optic systems? Are there any undersea copper cables left?

Serious questions. Thank you for any response. Obviously, I'm not a communications engineer, but I did play one on the Internet :)

[tophat9000]

Delay on a geosynchronous satellite simply do the distance about six hundred milliseconds...speed of light thing

The earth circumference is around 24,000 miles so max distance to and two points on earth is about 1/2 that....a geosyn orbit for a satellite must be a about the same 24000 miles so up down distance is min ×2...

So for data travel time land line = or less of .5 of 24000 miles ..vs geosyn satellite = or more of x2 of 24000.....

[Grams A]

The checks’s in the mail!”

So you’re the culprit!

[tophat9000]

Not process time..

speed of light..light(radio waves) takes time to travel a distances..so time for that radio wave to travel up and travel back down....

[bgill]

There are so many cables, there is hardly anywhere a ship can go without being near one.

[A Navy Vet]

"It is really just a building full of Dell or HP servers connected to a high speed internet line. You would be surprised how many people didn’t understand this."

Really? I'm no computer scientist nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn, but even I know there is no great magical "Cloud" in the sky. People really don't know the term means data storage on dedicated servers? I do and that's why I won't trust them with my data, much less my passwords.

I do simple drag&drop backups on thumb drives. A handy technology that came along to replace external hard drives for the average computer user. I've got all my data, programs.exe, photos, music, emails, bookmarks backed up on one 16GB ScanDisk, plus have other thumb drives for custom arrangements. Love that I was able to get rid of my Maxim external drive. And yes, I have a duplicate of the above 16GB backup with overflow. Gotta run? Two thumb drives will back me up when I get a new computer.

[A Navy Vet]

"I have always said that somewhere up in the sky is a huge trash bag which includes three of the Spiegel catalogs I was expecting several years ago,..."

Yeah, what ever happened to my VHS copies of "Happy Days" I ordered? Thanks for letting me know where to submit my claim. Repeat after me: "I'm Proud Without a Cloud!"

Your parting gifts are on the way...

[Grams A]

“I’m Proud Without a Cloud!”

And I am - in every way possible. Amazes me how many people that view themselves as intelligent beyond all imagination use the internet for absolutely everything yet have no comprehension of what actually happens to their information and who does what with it. Guess having boundaries and wanting to keep private matters private is another old fashioned value which is disappearing.

[huldah1776]

This was the plot of an episode of State of Affairs last year. Show was cancelled.

[Trumpinator]

At the same time Russian killer satellites park themselves between comm sats.

Message sent loud and clear.