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Twin Peaks bikers' lawyers contest DA Reyna's discovery waiver [Waco]
AP via Waco Tribune Herald ^ | November 19, 2015

Posted on 11/20/2015 12:46:34 PM PST by don-o

WACO - Defense attorneys representing bikers who were arrested after a shooting outside a Texas restaurant say they don't have access to key evidence because they refuse to sign the district attorney's unusual agreement to not share it with media.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
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To: X-spurt
You have intimate verifiable knowledge of the Waco Twin Peaks accounting?

You're a moron with nothing to stand on. One does not need their specific accounting to make this assessment. Twin Peaks holds itself out to be a restaurant chain, and follows the rules of a restaurant chain, and has the liquor licenses of a restaurant... not those of a bar. They are different licenses. Twin Peaks has a Texas FB license, and thus is subject to those rules and requirements. It is a restaurant, not a bar, in the eyes of Texas state law. Your baseless opinions are irrelevant.

41 posted on 11/22/2015 4:30:17 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: TennesseeGirl; X-spurt
Not in the Twin Peaks incident as it derives at least 51% of its income from food not alcohol.

That is correct and Texas ABC requires establishments that do not derive a majority of its income from food to post a sign like this one outside the front door.


42 posted on 11/22/2015 6:33:28 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: X-spurt
"Dressing like outlaws" is bullshit, and you know it.

Leathers are protective clothing and about the only thing with enough abrasion resistance to keep your skin on if some idiot pulls out in front of you or cuts you off and you end up skidding down the road.

They come in one basic color: black.

It has nothing to do with dressing like outlaws if 99% of the people who wear them aren't criminals.

Maybe the outlaws are dressing like us.

Club patches are there to separate who is who, they are as distinctive as military unit insignia, only larger.

Again, if 99% of those who wear them aren't engaging in criminal activity, maybe it is the outlaws who are imitating us.

We tend to ride in groups, partly for fellowship, but mainly because it makes it harder for someone to claim they didn't see us when they run over one of us. There is safety in numbers when people who look upon us as subhumans (Thanks, Hollywood a$$hole$!) run into or over or pull out in front of us and claim "but officer, I didn't see him".

Intimidation of the public?

I can't help it if Hollywood has tried to make bikers into bad guys. But then we both know Hollywood would never get anything wrong, right?

As for intimidation, I can't help what it takes for you to lose bladder and/or bowel control. That sounds like a personal problem. Maybe you should see a doctor.

But frankly, if it keeps dipShit$, whiners, and suckbutts from a pain in the butt, maybe it's a good thing. If no one harbors the 'smart' idea to kick over $20,000+ worth of motorcycle, we won't be so tempted to treat them badly. A little intimidation can stop a lot of crap before it happens, and no one needs to get so much as a hard feeling, much less get gunned down by the intimidators in blue and brown doing Obama's work of trying to intimidate the most freedom-loving group of people you are ever going to meet--because an awful lot of them fought for that freedom. Oh, I forgot, you will be off somewhere changing your depends, so you likely won't meet them.

As for criminals, the real criminals are running around in suits and limos, some on the Government payroll, and they don't have anything to do with the rank and file bikers.

Terrorism?

When was the last time a biker blew themselves up and took out a schoolyard or a busload? When was the last time a biker went nuts and drove a SUV into a crowd of college kids? When was the last time a biker went nuts and shot up a workplace?

Take your terrorism statement and your ISIS sh*t and shove it, bucko, that's what the Obamite Government wants to push here, even though most of the bikers I know are veterans. Some are Christian ministers. Maybe you Obamites consider US military veterans and Christians to be "terrorists" (Reminds me of North Vietnamese Communist rhetoric, crap like "air pirates"), but then, you are the one here pushing the meme, either from ignorance or because you are one of the enemies of the Republic.

My connection? Many that see this like me WILL be the jury. Don’t Mess With Texas.

I sincerely hope that most Texans have an IQ higher than the January low temps in Dallas, at least the potential jury pool. Any decent defense attorney would strike you from the jury panel for cause so fast your little pea brain wouldn't quit doing laps around the inside of your skull for a month, unless you opened your mouth and it escaped.

BTW, numbnuts, Consider the people who were arrested were Texans, too.

43 posted on 11/22/2015 10:59:45 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Must be mixin a Bit O’ Meth in with that Colorado smokin, Jo. Had to be butt typing, your finger knows better.

Guess oughta give you an excuse for only recently unsticking you tongue from a ND flagpole.

Obviously you have no rational coherent facts from which to argue against stone cold logic and truth, so in keeping with other criminal biker gang wannabes, all you have left are personal attacks. Go practice the criminal excusing to another, our discussion is done.


44 posted on 11/22/2015 12:20:44 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt
You don't think there are those of us who regard "criminal gang wannabees" or equating bikers with ISIS or other puke punk kids who can't afford a bike to be "personal attacks"?

You started it, and if, by God, you are typical of Texas, I will gladly never again set foot in your corrupt state.

45 posted on 11/22/2015 12:28:09 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: X-spurt
BTW, I don't use drugs. It is hard to get me to take so much as an aspirin, so I consider your drug allegations to be a personal attack, too. See how easy it is to play?

If you can't take the heat, stay away from the bike, especially the exhaust pipes. They will burn you.

Unlike you, I am not a pole licker. It would be relatively safe to stick your tongue on a flagpole in ND for six months of they year, so if you ever come up here to lick poles (try one of the eastern cities, from what I have heard), just don't do it when the snow is flying.

As for:Obviously you have no rational coherent facts from which to argue against stone cold logic and truth,...

When you come up with "stone cold logic and truth", I'll try to argue with you. I'd even consider trying to discuss things with you when you have just stone cold logic or truth.

You don't have facts, and no one short of Almighty God could give them to you as you won't listen to people who know what they are talking about. You have not managed to refute anything I said, just do your own version of personal attacks.

All you have for "argument" are asinine prejudices based on too much exposure to your television and a heartfelt willingness to dismiss the Presumption of Innocence to which all Americans are entitled.

Facts don't bother you, no matter who tells you, so might I recommend you try hanging out here with people of similar intellect and persuasion.

46 posted on 11/22/2015 12:46:51 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I personally thank you and the rest of Texas thanks you for your volunteer banishment. Besides this is not a criminal biker gang friendly atmosphere, as the juries shall show.


47 posted on 11/22/2015 12:47:55 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

I never have belonged to a “criminal biker gang”. As for Texas, behave, or I’ll have my friends in AK push to split the state in half and make you the third largest state.


48 posted on 11/22/2015 12:53:43 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; X-spurt
"Dressing like outlaws" is bullshit, and you know it.

Lol...sure it is.


49 posted on 11/22/2015 1:08:29 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Cute patch. Did they all have black hats on, too?


50 posted on 11/22/2015 1:53:39 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Dude, never said you or any other Freeper belonged to any of the criminal biker gangs. My pick is the “human shield” you all offer these lowlifes, who wouldn’t hesitate forcing you off the road, steal anything you got, beat your ass with a ballpeen hammer or be so self-centered and uncaring about innocent people’s safety AND RIGHTS as to start a major gun battle in a very public place.

Don’t think you all here are evil, just sadly mistaken with your support for pimps, drug dealers, thieves and murderers who routinely violate everyone else’s Constitutional Rights. All the while somehow assuming the rest of us that do recognize the reality of biker gangs as being stupid, uncaring or hating the Constitution.

If you can not see reality and in particular the nastiness anyone not ‘towing the poor biker gang line’ has been treated to on many of these threads, then I feel sorry for you all.


51 posted on 11/22/2015 6:42:40 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt
Again with the pejoratives. "Lowlifes"? Dude your own self, because trwo thirds of these people arrested had NO CRIMINAL RECORD!

I just hate it when "lowlifes" can't even get being a "lowlife" right. What's the world coming to?

Innocent until proven guilty.

We know some people were killed. We don't know who fired the bullets that killed them and wounded a host of others.

We, or at least some of us know that these meetings (CoC&I) have no history of being violent events, and that this is an unusual event in that there was violence.

To believe that 177 people (two thirds with no record of criminal involvement) from various clubs conspired to have a violent confrontation at a normally peaceful sort of event is a bit beyond the pale.

52 posted on 11/23/2015 1:12:28 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: X-spurt

Let’s try this.

Do you agree or disagree?

It is better that one hundred innocent persons be punished than that one guilty person go free.


53 posted on 11/23/2015 4:24:39 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Cute patch. Did they all have black hats on, too?

No, the black hats (and cracker bolts) are worn by these lowlifes...


54 posted on 11/23/2015 5:47:23 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Smokin' Joe; don-o

You and don’to’s argument further vaporizes in the desperate incorrect usage of “innocent until proven guilty”.

That admonition is a restriction placed upon the trial court, as it certainly should be.

There is no Law requiring citizens to presume innocence until proven guilty. In fact it flys in the face of common sense and one’s ability to navigate through life.

Don’t pretend to be so naïve while thrashing about trying to convince everyone else to join your foolish folly.


55 posted on 11/23/2015 6:23:24 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt
There is no Law requiring citizens to presume innocence until proven guilty.

Nor is there a law to command respect for people who have no respect for the blood bought freedom that we have left in this country. People who would gladly serve on a new iteration of the Star Chamber. People who want to pick and choose what citizen gets to exercise what rights.

And people, whose lack of context and failure to foresee the possible / probable consequences of what we allow to pass by unchallenged. But, these people are more to be pitied than scorned.

56 posted on 11/23/2015 8:37:17 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

Does that mean you recognize your continued banging the “innocent until proven guilty” tambourine is no more than noise?

Then again, those that think of some Star Chamber are FAR OUT, MAN. Is that the one Calypso Louie thinks is hovering out in space?

To get you back on subject, how does Star Chamber relate to criminal biker gangs savagely murdering those that were there simply to discuss motorcycle safety?


57 posted on 11/23/2015 10:15:45 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

Pitiful.

I’ll go back to responding to adults.


58 posted on 11/23/2015 11:21:16 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: X-spurt
I have met three kinds of people in my life. Some are good, some are jerks, and some I don't know well enough to tell.

I start with a presumption of innocence, but am not at all blind to evidence to the contrary.

Apparently, your evidentiary standard is merely the means someone has of getting around, or the clothes they wear, and a very superficial analysis of that.

You may presume your little heart out, but that won't change the facts. May you be met in life with the same measure you lavish upon others.

There is no Law requiring citizens to presume innocence until proven guilty.

First, if you have to have a law to treat people with anything other than total suspicion or blanket damnation, you are part of the problem.

In fact it flys in the face of common sense and one’s ability to navigate through life.

I see. Every preacher you meet is either in it for the money or a pedophile, every salesman is out to screw you, no one will ever give you the correct change. You must travel with a squadron of lawyers and have the papers signed and notarized before attempting procreation. What a dismal ****hole of a world you live in. I pity you.

Don’t pretend to be so naïve while thrashing about trying to convince everyone else to join your foolish folly.

Those men have been charged with a criminal offense, and as a result are Constitutionally entitled to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. That is a cornerstone of American Jurisprudence.

If you want to go by some other system, I suggest you look elsewhere.

59 posted on 11/23/2015 2:48:55 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: don-o; X-spurt

Just remember, X is a has-been, spurt is a drip under pressure. But, what’s in a name?


60 posted on 11/23/2015 2:51:56 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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