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Russia Says Turkey's Attack On Jet Was "Planned Provocation"...
Zero Hedge ^ | 25 Nov 2015 | Tyler

Posted on 11/25/2015 6:53:49 AM PST by amorphous

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To: amorphous

Obama and Erdogan hoped it would stop Russia bombing their friends


21 posted on 11/25/2015 7:35:05 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Tau Food

Erdogan will see his children die.


22 posted on 11/25/2015 7:35:17 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Common Sense 101

We have no treaties with Ukraine.


23 posted on 11/25/2015 7:35:54 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: amorphous

There is no getting around it. It had to be planned. There were only in the air space 17 seconds.

It is good that they say they are not going to war against Turkey. What I think they will do, though, is step up attacks on the rebels. That seems like a very just response. Obama said their support for Assad was the reason for the attack, so....it needs to not pay off.


24 posted on 11/25/2015 7:35:59 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: amorphous
Russia Says Turkey's Attack On Jet Was "Planned Provocation"...

I wouldn't be surprised if the Turks try to shoot down another jet that the russkies take out the anti-aircraft site. Then all hell could break loose, thanks to the "Amateur Hour on the Potomac" foreign policy of the 0bama regime.

25 posted on 11/25/2015 7:37:54 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty ( Kill 'em all, Let GOD sort 'em out!)
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To: Trumpinator
Erdogan will see his children die.

Yes, that sounds like Putin. Or, maybe a Turkish airliner.

26 posted on 11/25/2015 7:38:18 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

There is very little credibility on the part of either American or Russian media.

However, there is very good evidence that Turkey is at least covertly supporting ISIS, and in some respects covertly.

When ISIS declared that the new Caliphate should have its center in Turkey, well, ol’ Erdogan got a woody.

I was stationed in Turkey for a while in the early 1970s. I do not trust the Turks at all.


27 posted on 11/25/2015 7:41:30 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

There is very little credibility on the part of either American or Russian media.

However, there is very good evidence that Turkey is at least covertly supporting ISIS, and in some respects overtly.

When ISIS declared that the new Caliphate should have its center in Turkey, well, ol’ Erdogan got a woody.

I was stationed in Turkey for a while in the early 1970s. I do not trust the Turks at all.


28 posted on 11/25/2015 7:43:00 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
All of the objective evidence demonstrates

Which "objective evidence" is that?

Statements by the Russian military?

29 posted on 11/25/2015 7:43:38 AM PST by wideawake
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To: kingu

Do a google search on the U.S. being accused of violating air space. Do you want our planes shot down when it happens. The Cold War dreamers make it sound like such an unusual and provocative thing to slightly clip air space. It is neither. The countries squawk and that is it. There was no threat. Turkey is steeped in the Syrian civil war and they just used the air space violation as cover for an offensive move against Russia.


30 posted on 11/25/2015 7:45:55 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: wideawake

Have you looked at a map? At worst while doing a target run in Syria these guys flew over a 1 mile strip of property that juts down into SYRIA and is claimed by turkey.... At 580 kts they were over that strip of land for 16 seconds

This was not an exciter mission

Lavrov is probably right that this was a Turkish setup, they moved assets into that area the day before and may have had turkish forces on the ground inside SYRIA


31 posted on 11/25/2015 8:02:50 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: amorphous
NATO. NATO? You mean the military alliance that has its’ headquarters in a capitol city completely shut down by a few bearded dirty bed sheet wearing goat fornicating mooslimes that might have weapons.

That NATO.

At this point I'd rather take my chances with some gang bangers from MS-13....or the Rooskies....

I kid the NATO cause I love....

:-)

32 posted on 11/25/2015 8:08:06 AM PST by JEDI4S (I don't mean to cause trouble...it just happens naturally through the Force!)
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To: silverleaf
Russia has not opened up its airspace. I think it would be stupid to fly over a one mile strip of Russia. I suspect that Putin just misjudged what Turkey would do in the event of incursions. He does tend to make a lot of mistakes.

I remember when he provided a lot of his drunken allies in the Ukraine with missiles capable of shooting down planes. He probably miscalculated. He probably did not think that they would shoot down a commercial airliner.

I have long thought that Putin has competency issues. I think that is why his economy is in the tank and deteriorating while much of the rest of the world is still recovering. I do not trust Putin's judgment.

33 posted on 11/25/2015 8:09:32 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: silverleaf
Have you looked at a map?

No, I've never looked at a map in my life.

Thanks for letting me know that consulting an image will tell us what actually happened in the real world on a specific day at a specific time.

At worst while doing a target run in Syria these guys flew over a 1 mile strip of property that juts down into SYRIA and is claimed by turkey....

Presumably you were there and witnessed it.

Of course, if it is territory that Turkey claims, then Turkey is going to consider it Turkish territory.

How would Russia feel about Turkish overflights of, say, its claimed territories like Transnistria?

At 580 kts they were over that strip of land for 16 seconds

So they say.

Lavrov is probably right that this was a Turkish setup, they moved assets into that area the day before and may have had turkish forces on the ground inside SYRIA

And he's "probably right" because of what verifiable evidence, exactly?

34 posted on 11/25/2015 8:11:25 AM PST by wideawake
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To: kingu

Silly Freeper, facts have nothing to do with conspiracy narratives.


35 posted on 11/25/2015 8:12:11 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: amorphous
What comes after that is anyone's guess.

I'm guessing Obama and the Turkey are looking for any opportunity to suck NATO into this fiasco...

36 posted on 11/25/2015 8:16:27 AM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: amorphous

Only Putin gets to use “Planned Provocation”...


37 posted on 11/25/2015 8:26:15 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: ought-six

I don’t trust the Turks, either. Nor do I trust the Russians. It’s not either-or, here. Only the mentally deficient believe that there has to be a good guy in every fight. The Russians are at least as much at fault as the Turks. A pox on both their houses...


38 posted on 11/25/2015 8:27:16 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
There is no getting around it. It had to be planned. There were only in the air space 17 seconds.

Agree.

39 posted on 11/25/2015 8:28:59 AM PST by amorphous
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Do you trust your own government?


40 posted on 11/25/2015 8:36:17 AM PST by McGruff (Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it)
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