Posted on 12/23/2015 9:23:37 PM PST by TigerClaws
Yea, I never heard it used as a verb either—
You really put it in perspective, lol. So true!! :)
Schwing!
Why would anyone criticize Cruz, when he is perfect?
Seriously though, I haven't seen any illogical defense of Cruz on FR.
Here is a comment I posted on another thread. It addresses your comments as well:
‘The problem with Cruz, present company excepted, is his supporters. Those of us who are not on Cruz control do have issues with him. Many of us have learned, however, to say nothing, or else be so mild and oblique in our observations that the point is mostly lost. This is bc a lot of us are burned out on being called idiots, morons, stupid, trolls, leftists, paid disruptors, and so on and so on.
I grant that Cruz on the surface looks mostly perfect. This is to no small degree due to the fact that if anybody points out anything negative, they’re ganged up on and hounded/bullied mercilessly. Not to mention lied about. I’ve had so many lies told about me, if I had five bucks a pop I could buy an annuity.
Anyway, that’s one person’s take...after months and months of ferocious Cruz supporter attacks.’
You referenced a gripe to bolster a gripe?
Ok, so my takeaway is that you have a gripe.
I referenced my experiences. From what I have seen, there is no point in making any criticism of Cruz at all. As you just did above, the focus is instantly turned on the poster, and in a negative way.
But let me ask you this. Has Cruz, as far as you know, ever done or said anything questionable or problematic? Anything at all?
Btw, my personal experiences are not a gripe. It is irrational to refer to them that way.
You should build a cult of personaility around that.
Care to explain how you thought what you said made sense?
I heard logical and illogical positions against Cruz on FR. Ditto for Trump and others.
However, when it comes to arguments for Cruz, I haven’t seen an illogical one on FR. Granted I don’t read every post, but I read quite a few. Also keep in mind that logical arguments aren’t necessarily correct, just logical.
Your experiences are not a gripe, but your retelling of your experiences in a manner of making a complaint is by definition a gripe.
I would have been more interested to hear what illogical arguments were being made, as that was the matter at hand.
I have no desire to cast aspersions on anyone that is willing to vote against Hillary. The fact of the matter is that we are having a primary and we should be debating the best selection, understanding that a large number of us won’t get out 1st choice.
I retold my experiences by way of making an illustration. But no bias on your end, right?
Yesterday I read a couple of typical Cruz supporter insults: brain dead Trumpbots and the long-time favorite, Trumpanzees. But it’s logical, from a Cruz supporter POV, to throw these insults around. As we’ve been told thousands of times, Trump supporters are morons.
Debate is not possible with people who believe anyone who disagrees with their choice is an idiot, a liberal, and/or a Trumpanzee. I speak from experience.
Btw, I’m still extremely curious to know whether you’ve seen anything at all concerning re Cruz, or whether he is, in your eyes, the closest thing to perfection a politician can attain.
I have a small list of issues with Cruz as the nominee.
A Senator, I’d prefer a governor.
Can he raise enough money, being anti-establisment?
That is a valid point. I said I hadn’t seen irrational support of Cruz. I don’t consider attacks on Trump or his supporters to be “support for Cruz”. But I understand where you are coming from.
I’ve had several good constructive conversations here on FR with Trump supporters. I’ve also been fire bombed by them. Not very constructive by either side to go personal.
Buy some charisma, spock. :)
Concern about Cruz’ money raising abilities isn’t what I had in mind. I was asking if you could find the slightest fault with him either in his character or otherwise. Positing a governor trumps a senator might be along those lines, but you didn’t give enough info to clarify.
Just for the record, I along with many other Trump supporters have plenty of issues with him. I have yet to see an actual Cruz supporter raise any material issue with him at all.
Think about it for a moment. Yes, Trump supporters get called all kinds of names and attacked viciously merely for supporting Trump. However, if we really, REALLY want to be pounded into a bloody pulp, the thing to to is raise an issue with Cruz. That’s when the blowback goes out of all bounds.
You may not think of destroying, or at least attempting to destroy, anyone who criticizes your candidate as support. It is, however, support in the following sense. If Cruz supporters are both sufficiently brutal and sufficiently dedicated in their defense of Cruz, then no critique stands a chance. Rather, sans any review of possible merit in the critique, all the attention is immediately focussed on the poster that raised the issue. When the dust settles, the critiquer is bruised and bloodied [and would be banned, if Cruz supporters could manage it] while the candidate is untouched. He still looks perfect.
The Cult of Personality is on the Cruz side. Otherwise his supporters could realistically see the imperfections in their candidate, and would respond less irrationally when others point out the things they cannot or refuse to see.
Just not seeing it, but it’s unfortunate that you are being attacked.
I posted a Vanity concerning Trump the other day. I did not consider it an attack on Trump or his supporters, just an discussion of why I thought he was doing so well. I got thoughtful responses from Trump supporters, a few derogatory comments from Cruz supporters, and more than a few adhomen attacks from Trump supporters.
So I’m not seeing the level of vitriol being higher on the Cruz side. Perhaps just my vantage point.
Ideologically, Cruz is by far the closest match to myself, and I’m not running, so he has my vote and money.
I trust Cruz to fight the fight, because he’s been fighting. He’s been accused of switching on immigration, but that is a flawed (perhaps disengenuous) reading of the record.
He is a gifted speaker and debater.
I wish he had executive experience. I wish he had a large number of like minded individuals to populate posts with.
My worries with Trump are that he has been all over the place on basic policies and I don’t trust him. I love his gift for ripping the media, and I’m glad he is in the race. Republicans should be taking lessons.
Cruz is also very gifted, but he isn’t crude, so the media just ignore him. Trump is a sign of our times.
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