Donald Trump Ramps Up Attacks on Ted Cruz’s Eligibility

NY Times ^ | 1/9/16 | Trip Gabriel and Matt Flegenheimer

[altura]

You really do have a problem with reality but this discussion is not about that dead horse issue.

It’s about Trump attacking Cruz and Cruz being a classy gentleman about it.

Tells me a lot... does it tell you anything?

[Yosemitest]

What is the root word of "Naturalization" ?

"Naturalize" !

Not only could they, BUT ... THE FOUNDING FATHERS DID DEFINE IT !

[patlin]

Ted Cruz, meet Barack Obama, you soul brother in shredding the US Constitution and our nation’s most sacred protection against foreign intrigues destroying our nation from within.

https://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/?s=1859&submit=Search

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter…Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government... Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests…(excerpts from Washington’s Farewell Address)

https://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/liberal-conservatism-a-bane-to-the-survival-of-a-constitutional-republic/

[Sun]

The GOP establishment does not like Cruz, so I don’t understand your point.

The GOP establishment is probably very upset that Cruz is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, eligible to become POTUS.

The GOPe wants Jeb, or someone close to Jeb’s ideology.

[Mollypitcher1]

Don’t be so ignorant. The phrase “Natural Born Citizen” was defined in Vattel’s work The Law of Nations. The Founding Fathers accepted his phrase and used it in the Constitution. It was NOT naturalization! Look it up and read it. Then you just might comprehend it.

[Mollypitcher1]

Amazing how you swallow Cruz’s conservative pretense. His voting record does not back up his claims.

[doug6352]

The founders of the USA wrote the constitution in 1787 and the first naturalization law in 1790. In both documents they use the phrase “natural born citizen”, and it is very clear that by that 1790 statute Ted Cruz would be considered a “natural born citizen” by the founders of the USA.

Emer de Vattel was a Swiss legal expert, and not a founder of the USA.

Donald Trump has made a lot of conservative Republicans very annoyed with this desperate looking and uncalled for attack on Ted Cruz. The last time they had a tiff Cruz provoked him with a comment at a private meeting, but this time Trump is just trying to bully a fellow Republican, and mislead anyone gullible enough to believe his attack. You can do better Mr Trump, and I hope you will.

[Yosemitest]

WRONG !
It was defined for the United States, BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS !

The Naturalization Act of 1790, let's read it !

United States Congress, "An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (March 26, 1790).

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled,
That any Alien being a free white person,
who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years,
may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States
wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least,
and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court  that
he is a person of good character,
and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law
to support the Constitution of the United States,
which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer,
and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon;
and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. 


And the children of such person so naturalized,
dwelling within the United States,
being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization,
shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. 

And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States,
shall be considered as natural born Citizens: 
Provided, that
the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: 
Provided also, that
no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid,
except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.

[patlin]

And they defined ‘natural born’ as NOT having any other citizenship at birth EXCEPT that of the United States of America!

The Library of Congress on Immigration & Naturalization also states:

The 1st major exception to this 1790 Act was that “derivative” citizenship was granted to wives and minor children of naturalized men. From 1790 to 1922, wives of naturalized men automatically became citizens. This also meant that an alien woman who married a U.S. citizen automatically became a citizen. (Conversely, an American woman who married an alien lost her U.S. citizenship, even if she never left the United States.) From 1790 to 1940, children under the age of 21 automatically became naturalized citizens upon the naturalization of their father.

https://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/liberal-conservatism-a-bane-to-the-survival-of-a-constitutional-republic/

Therefore, unless there has been an amendment to the 14th Amendment that states that dual citizenship at birth (subject to ANOTHER jurisdiction), Cruz is NOT qualified, PERIOD! I personally do not have anything against the guy, I’m sure he is a nice guy, it is just that he is NOT constitutionally qualified to be president or vice president. And so it is his arrogance in ignoring the law & putting himself above the law as Obama did, this shows that Cruz to be just as much a narcissist as Obama is.

https://constitutionallyspeaking.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/1859-opinion-of-us-admin2.jpg

https://constitutionallyspeaking.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/1859-opinion-of-us-attorney-general-2.jpg

[Mollypitcher1]

You can accept Mark Levin’s word if you think he knows more than the Founding Fathers, but I will accept the word of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and John Jay, the First Chief justice of the Supreme Court who referred to Vattel and his work The Law of Nations for the definition of Natural Born Citizen. Vattel, the premier authority of his day on International Law as well as a Diplomat and a Philosopher was well known to the Founding Fathers who used and studied his expertise, even reflecting him in the Declaration of Independence. According to Vattel, Cruz is not eligible.

[Yosemitest]

WRONG !
It was defined for the United States, BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS !

The Naturalization Act of 1790, let's read it !

United States Congress, "An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (March 26, 1790).

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled,
That any Alien being a free white person,
who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years,
may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States
wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least,
and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court  that
he is a person of good character,
and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law
to support the Constitution of the United States,
which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer,
and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon;
and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. 


And the children of such person so naturalized,
dwelling within the United States,
being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization,
shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. 

And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States,
shall be considered as natural born Citizens: 
Provided, that
the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: 
Provided also, that
no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid,
except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.

[bushpilot2]

[Mollypitcher1]

If your mind is that small than go ahead and believe whatever trash you are determined to. The phrase Natural Born was removed shortly thereafter from the 1790 statute because it was in error. The removal was with the cooperation of George Washington.

[patlin]

The GOP establishment simply wants a puppet to perpetuate their lies they have perpetrated on the ignorant masses for decades.

And for the record, go to the links and then come back and prove my research wrong. Prove me wrong and show physical proof IN THE LAW (statutes) as I have done, that proves a hidden amendment to the constitution that says a dual citizen at birth is a natural born citizen because even the current US State Dept says that they are unable to protect dual citizens in the country of their foreign allegiance and they warn people with dual citizenship about the lack of protection they have from the US while they are in the country of their foreign citizenship.

This is no trivial matter, and there have been countless congressional inquiries over the past decades trying to find a way to re-write Article II citizenship to INCLUDE those who have dual citizenship at birth. https://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/the-%e2%80%9ccongressional%e2%80%9d-natural-born-citizen-part-ii-shocked-outraged-or-ambivalent/

[Sun]

“United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
snip

And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens:
Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.”

It doesn’t say that the Father has to be a citizen; it says the father only has to be a resident.

Sen. Cruz’s mother, of course, was born in the U.S.A., so was a Natural Born Citizen which makes Ted Cruz a Natural Born Citizen.

This is what George Washington signed.

[Mollypitcher1]

I clearly stated this was subjected to CORRECTION by the REMOVAL of the words Natural Born.
Believe what you please. You are incorrect!

[South40]

[patlin]

bushpilot, hey there ... long time no talk.

I know you mean well, however, we need to FOCUS on the fact that it is NOT the soil that matters, it is the citizenship that matters, SINGLE not dual citizenship at birth. I agree that the fact that Cruz’s father was a Cuban citizen at the time of Ted’s birth in Canada is a hurdle that Ted can never overcome save usurping the constitution, however, if we just stick to what the other side is focusing on which is the 14th amendment, then that focus needs to be on the fact that allegiance has always meant One allegiance to the United States of America, which the natural born has at birth and the naturalized one is to have when they take the oath of naturalization.

[Sun]

“....meet Barack Obama,....”

Donald Trump meet Barack Obama, the guy you helped pave the way for.

“While it has been an open secret for several years that Donald Trump was once a heavy Democratic donor, a deeper analysis of campaign records shows that the real estate billionaire’s contributions skewed even further left during the 2006 mid-term election, the crucial contest that put Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in power and arguably helped pave the way for Barack Obama’s political agenda. (snip)”

more http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/03/donald-trump-donated-heavily-to-democrats-especially-during-election-which-put-reid-and-pelosi-in-power/

[parksstp]

When will you people stop with the ignorance?

There are 2 classes of citizens mentioned in the United States Constituion and Statutory Law: Natural Born (i.e. Citizen at Birth, and Naturalized).

Ted Cruz was NEVER Naturalized because he was a Citizen at Birth. A Citizen at Birth is a Natural Born Citizen. There is NO other separate category. None. End of Story.

Here’s something I bet you can’t answer. Why did the Founders make the Residency Requirement for POTUS a measly 14 years? Using your logic, they are so concerned that an NBC MUST be born on US soil (you know, to prohibit dueling loyalites and such to other countries), but they didn’t seem to have a problem with an NBC born on US Soil who goes off and can grow up for most of the child/adult life in a foreign country where they are subject to acquire other customs and cultures, and then maybe 50 years later come back to the US and run for President. And that’s all fine and dandy with you. But a child born to an American citizen who grows up the bulk of their childhood and entire adulthood in the United States and has no other home country considerations is in your mind not a NBC simply because of the place of birth? But the Muslim teen that goes off to Syria and gets accustomed to Sharia law and decides to bring those customs back to the United States to live is ok to run for President as long as they have 2 Citizen parents?