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McConnell: No, Senate won’t pass resolution affirming Cruz’s eligibility like it did for McCain
Hotair ^ | 01/12/2016 | AllahPundit

Posted on 01/12/2016 11:49:30 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: PJBankard

There’s always downballot voting.


61 posted on 01/12/2016 12:45:20 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

CRuz should’ve taken Trump’s advice....to (immediately) get the Declaratory Judgement. Then whatever yurtle the turtle and Rinse Prius say, wouldn’t matter.

It was a pre-emptive runaround. (Assuming the court would side with CRuz, of course. Which, if he has all of the required, supporting docs....no problemo.)


62 posted on 01/12/2016 12:48:11 PM PST by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yes, but sadly I live in the liberal hell hole near our nations governmental abyss.


63 posted on 01/12/2016 12:49:56 PM PST by PJBankard (It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory. - Gen. George Patton)
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To: SeekAndFind

So that answer must settle the question once and for all
CONGRESS is more afraid of CRUZ than they are of TRUMP. Gall-lee! Wait till they find Cruz is still in the building, better than ever in kicking a$$

Go TRUMP
Go CRUZ
We want the two of yous
Make AMERICA GREAT for GREAT AMERICANS


64 posted on 01/12/2016 12:54:25 PM PST by V K Lee (u TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: SeekAndFind

(A Senste resolution would be meaningless on the law anyway). What McConnell has just done is nothing more than to confirm what a useless ass he is. Hopefully we can get a much better person in that job ASAP


65 posted on 01/12/2016 12:55:12 PM PST by faithhopecharity (Diff tween D's and R's is that the thatD's allow the poor to be corrupt, too. (O. Levant)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Grayson's claims about Cruz's mother being a Canadian citizen are false. Cruz is a US citizen. He (or his parent(s)) submitted evidence sufficient to get a US passport for Ted.

The only question is a con law question. Does a person who is not a citizen under the constitution, but is made a citizen at birth by an act of congress, a natural born citizen under the constitution?

Popular opinion, including by "learned legal scholars" is either that this question is unsettled law, or is answered in the affirmative.

66 posted on 01/12/2016 12:59:34 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: SeekAndFind

the difference is that both Barry Goldwater and John McCain were born in U.S. territories; Cruz was born on Canadian soil.


67 posted on 01/12/2016 1:00:00 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: LostInBayport

Bitter turtle will soon be served at the local diner -in a soup bowl. It’s not soup yet, but he’s up to his neck in hot water. How I despise that creature; and I like turtles.


68 posted on 01/12/2016 1:00:59 PM PST by V K Lee (u TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: RummyChick

What party was Trump in back then?


69 posted on 01/12/2016 1:01:23 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: catnipman

The question is this — is a person born of one parent who is American on a foreign soil, a natural born citizen?

Some say ‘Yes’, some say ‘No’.

Who’s to decide?


70 posted on 01/12/2016 1:05:34 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: PJBankard

I agree with Freeper Norm Lenhart. Regardless of context, the leftists are always on the offense and perpetually attacking all things conservative. Period. Always. I would add, though, that if the case were argued on the grounds of "jus sanguinis" and "partus sequitur patrem", Obama and Cruz would fall into the same Constitutional pickle. The leftists could not tear down all that Cruz accomplishes without exposing all that Obama has done to the same treatment. Which is okay with me -- two less Supreme Court appointments and no Obamacare; I'm good with that. But I suspect, "stare decisis" would come into play. The Court accepts that the mistakes of the past cannot be undone and would adopt the "let it stand" doctrine. As such, the actions of Obama and Cruz would be protected. There may be an issue getting a second term in for Cruz; but that too would be unprecedented (to deny running for a second term after successful execution of the first) and I believe a winnable battle. I like Cruz. He has acted the role of strict Constitutionalist for quite some time. But I think he has to play ball with birthers (like me) to see this adjudicated, and put an end to this nonsense once and for all ... or he'll be viewed by a few percentage points as being a pretend Constitutionalist. And a few percentage points is a big enough margin to hand the election to Trump.


71 posted on 01/12/2016 1:08:31 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

This is not a viable argument. It is a deflection. Trump can be Satan himself and it does not change the fact that Ted Cruz was born in Canada.

It does not change the fact that James Madison INTENTIONALLY took the words “natural born citizen” out of the 1790 Act when he chaired the committee for the 1795 Act.

You need to stop defending Cruz as Cruz and look at it as if Charles Manson were in the same position. Because the next candidate that fits the same mold of citizenship could be far far far worse than Obama.


72 posted on 01/12/2016 1:31:53 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: SeekAndFind

“The question is this — is a person born of one parent who is American on a foreign soil, a natural born citizen? Some say ‘Yes’, some say ‘No’. Who’s to decide?”

that is indeed the issue, and as far as I can tell, it has NOT yet been decided one way or the other. Common sense says NO, or otherwise why would the founders bother to put that specific qualification in for President and for no other office. However, presumably the US Supreme Court would ultimately decide, but they are at least as corrupt as the rest of the government, so flipping a coin would give a result equally as valid as anything coming out of the Supreme Court.


73 posted on 01/12/2016 1:40:08 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: RummyChick

Yeah, but you still can’t tell me what James Madison actually intended. Only what the experts assume he didn’t mean in 1795.


74 posted on 01/12/2016 1:41:04 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Cboldt

A naturalized citizen can qualify for a U.S. passport.

My children were born in England while I was stationed there and I obtained a certificate of birth from the Embassy. I consider them NBC so I am not a birther nut. What bothers me is the mystery of whether or not Cruz is NBC and that I suppose hinges on whether or not his mother became a Canadian citizen before Ted was born.

Until I know for sure I cannot in clear conscience vote for Cruz even though I like him very much. Equally disturbing is Cruz stating that he was unaware of his dual citizenship status prompting him to renounce Canada when he decided to be a Senator.


75 posted on 01/12/2016 1:43:10 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

There is no way to know WHY he removed it. All that can be done is look at what he did. He removed the clause.

He didn’t want it there.

And that is significant.


76 posted on 01/12/2016 1:46:52 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: New Jersey Realist
-- A naturalized citizen can qualify for a U.S. passport. --

You know what, that completely missed my view! Duh! You are correct, the only evidence that will establish citizen at birth is either a CRBA, or a Certificate of Citizenship.

-- Until I know for sure I cannot in clear conscience vote for Cruz --

I'm confident he'll produce his CRBA when it best suits his needs. You can't be the only one who "wonders," and most in that spot will accept that a CRBA = NBC.

77 posted on 01/12/2016 1:54:39 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: SeekAndFind

Cruz has friends in no places.


78 posted on 01/12/2016 2:01:40 PM PST by Vision Thing
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To: RummyChick
It's worth noting Alexander Hamilton's understanding of things was very simple:

"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a citizen of one of the States or hereafter be born a citizen of the United States"

James Madison himself said: "It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other."

For further reading on the founders views of a Natural Born citizen with extensive quotes, with the clear conclusion Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen: http://www.redstate.com/2012/05/21/on-this-natural-born-citizen-issue-part-i-from-alexander-hamilton-to-lynch-v-clarke/

79 posted on 01/12/2016 2:15:05 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: ifinnegan

Working better with .. is not the problem.

Prince is TERRIFIED OF CRUZ.

And .. McConnell will do whatever Prince tells him to do.
they’re both idiots.


80 posted on 01/12/2016 2:26:35 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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