Posted on 01/20/2016 11:54:10 PM PST by WTFOVR
You said there is no commonality between morality and politics.
There is,,,and I explained it.
Insofar as compromise, there is and never has been true compromise with a Marxist democrat. They say bend over an I shall show you a sign of my bi-partisanship.
Republicans today can find fewer and fewer positions they refuse to compromise until they essentially have none now.
If you want compromises, you have it now. If you want deals, you have it now. The opposition will not compromise their positions. So the repubs compromise to Get Things done.
It's the democrats who are unable to compromise and it's the democrats who believe that nothing gets done.
All that is, is a vain attempt to shift blame for all the bad stuff that occurs as a result of failed liberalism. Your man Donald, not only buys into this idea, but he sells it to you and you are buying it.
The difference between us is that I am not, and I know why. You think that is ridiculous and I just hate Trump because I am a idiot.
So there ya go. It's the same thing that democrats hate about me.
It's therefore no surprise that Cruz gets no respect from anyone but conservatives like himself.
I suppose it's pointless to go on. So I will close with a word of advice.
Take a good long and deep look inside yourself. re-assess your political positions and see how they compare to a classic liberal. Then see if you can fit in a conservative mold.
If you still think you are conservative, and that trump is a conservative, you either don't understand conservatism, or you are not one.
Or, your logic has been contaminated by emotion. That too is not conservative.
Time to go.....Have a good day.
Well you answered what is obvious to others. Your mind is very closed.
Not at all. It's just that this particular horse has been beaten 7 ways to Sunday.
What do you think of the date of the publication?
I don't know, what do you want to hear? That older birther bs is of some more esteemed value than new birther bs?
It is only an open forum for a give and exchange of ideas. You just like to dish it out.
Not at all - I would love a real debate on the issues. This is just tiring.
"On native soil" is a bs argument, and always has been... It matters not a whit that he was born on foreign ground.
IMHO, your best argument is the 'Two American Parents" shtick, which is admittedly back-fed through naturalization ~ but it is a losing argument, which will never make it through court. Precedent is already set, and 50 states have already vetted the candidate, and declared him eligible, or he would not be on the ballot. In reality, no one has standing to challenge that...
The only real shot you have is to destroy the citizenship of the mother - her citizenship somehow being inaccurately portrayed to the states - which isn't going to happen, but that's why the sudden flurry trying to somehow prove her a Canadian citizen.
So despite all your wailing and weeping, and all the dirt thrown in the air, Ted Cruz is a Native Son.
And for the fun of it, what is it that you hope to gain between you and I? Do you think that disqualifying Cruz will leave me no choice but to vote for Trump?
Spectacular! How wonderful to read thoughts from someone who can make full use of our eloquent language to express them. It doesn’t happen much nowadays.
I applaud and agree with your sentiments.
Thank you and I look forward to learning more.
We know they have their candidates groomed and lined up, heck, these guys plan decades in advance!
Deuteronomy 19:14
Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the Lord thy God giveth thee to possess it.
All men are created equal - It depends on how you measure a man. The most important measure is that we are created in the image of God and in that sense we are equal.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.
Consent of the governed - From the Declaration not the Constitution is a Christian concept:
1 Samuel 8
6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.
7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
I believe the John 19:11 supports the consent of the governed because it places the greater responsibility for the judicial sin on the governed! Pilot feared the Jews who could have trivially conquered the world behind their Lord but for our sin, the worst oppressor of all.
Separation of Church and State - is a Biblical concept in which the government of the state or civil magistrate is given the power of the sword while the spiritual government of the church is given the power of the keys. Both governments are ordained by God and subject to his laws. So there is no separation between God and state except in the perverse minds of rebels.
More to follow.
Now, I believe the article is taken down. DARN. My screen says the site says can not “display” page. Blast!
Great post my friend. You DO get it. Awesome thread! Thank you for the ping.
It’s true.
There are suicidal conservatives out there. They have purified themselves to death. These people wrap their deed in the flag to boot and wave their finger trolling against all reason, preferring their red, white and blue ride on the Titantic.
Here we have a frontrunner who declares his conversion to Pro Life, explains why and how that happened, abhors the backroom barbary of Planned Parenthood to an extent that he would SHUT THAT DOWN, and the only one who is fearless and defends Christians everywhere, who boldly says “Merry Christmas”, in your face, and deplores the attacks on religious liberty.
TRUMP single handedly exposed the “stupid leadership” in DC, knows the wide open crony capitalism has got to stop, and is himself MAD AS HELL AND ISN’T GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE. Our country is dying and has no borders! THAT is what he says.
Remember when that used to be enough to call a man “conservative”? Now these people want attachments added to the basic life and religious issues, to such a degree that no one anywhere, who is not openly a holy roller may serve their cultish tendencies. It will never stop. The goal post will forever be moving. It is suicide.
We PRAYED for a leader such as this, capable of kicking doors down and planting a big foot on the necks of the UniParty. Sarah said it best, of TRUMP’s big mouth, crediting him for exposing all of them saying, “they have been BUSTED!”.
Most of us knew it would take a FORCE to have a prayer to save our country from collapsing further. All institutions are in danger.
Cut the Purists loose. TRUMP replaced their votes already!
Don’t let their state of mind steal the joy of seeing that God has, at last, provided us a chance, with a warrior, not a priest or a prophet, but a struggling spirit, a pilgrim just like you and me, who is a FORCE for RESISTANCE, and patriotism, and reason, and a single chance to restore our bleeding country and her every institution, to roll back the damages to traditions. TRUMP is deadly serious and the whole world knows it, now. That should count for something.
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Excellent post, Rita! Every single word!
Wow! Does this mean Trump is going to be the Republican Party's Light Bringer?
My point is that, if you’ll check, our Lord did not always use the priest and prophet to bring about his will. To fixate on that expectation, alone, may be to under estimate his works, to perhaps miss the bigger picture, here. imho.
However, this is not the religious forum so you may want to inquire about these examples, over there.
How is this going to be spun by the “conservative”?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-ted-cruzs-best-friend-drew-him-into-jamaican-politics-and-business/2016/01/22/5bc43d90-bade-11e5-829c-26ffb874a18d_story.html?postshare=7711453482764412&tid=ss_tw
That has never been enough to call a man 'Conservative'. He can say whatever he likes. It's what he DOES that matters. And his record in no way matches his electioneering.
And the prerequisite to being called 'conservative' is to be an adherent of at least one of the Conservative factions, and adhere to their principles.
To be a Conservative in the spirit of Reagan is to adhere to ALL of the factions, and defend ALL of their principles.
Trump - on the record - embraces *none* of those principles.
You can vote as you like, but don't consider it the conservative thing to do if the principles of Conservatism (what Conservatism IS) are not satisfied...
Purist alert! TITANTIC on downward projectory observed, and duly noted.
Cruz betrayed you. It’s coming out. Get a grip. All men change. Some lie about it. But, TRUMP pleads, “Guilty, as charged”!
Man your life boat, because the media is in the process of calling this race. And... TRUMP has replaced your vote already. You people are a threat this cycle to no one but yourselves.
Yeah, right... That's been said before. See you in september when the begging and pleading begins... If he gets that far. If you think you're going to beat Liberal Democrats with a liberal Republican, you've got another think coming. It's Romney all over again.
Cruz betrayed you. It’s coming out.
In what way? You mean all the poo you guys are flinging? Bring it. Most of it has been factually proven false a hundred times.
Get a grip.
I've got a grip - I vote for Conservatism according to the record. I know what I am voting for. Do you?
All men change.
Some daily, like Trump. Conservatives tend not to change, because they govern their lives by infallible truths.
Some lie about it.
Like when their 'conversion' occurs on the political road to Damascus?
But, TRUMP pleads, “Guilty, as charged”!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Man your life boat, because the media is in the process of calling this race
Riiiight... before a single vote has been cast.
Your zeal is misleading you. Try thinking about it critically. If conservative principles are not involved (at all), how can what you are supporting be Conservatism? That should be the first clue.
great rant! I like it!
Well said, Rita.
I've counted myself among the conservative 'purist' set for a very long time, but, like you and millions of other conservatives, I've been forced by the dire circumstances of our nation, to recognize that we absolutely must do something to effectively fight back against the forces that are now taking our beloved country apart.
So how do we do that, given that our expressed will is being ignored by those who we elected to represent us in the halls of power? How do we do that when screaming at the top of our lungs for well over a decade, has had zero effect? How can we fight back against a government/ruling class that uses the courts to create new laws out of thin air, and overturns the will of the people by judicial fiat?
Of course, I refer to the 'Four Boxes' the American people have traditionally used to exercise their will and power. As I've noted above, all but one of them is effed up beyond all recognition, which only leaves one remaining 'box' to open. Most of us have seen the internet meme, "Our forefathers would be shooting by now", but who among us feels that we've really reached the point where the majority of decent Americans are soberly considering that option?
We're not, and we all know it. So do our domestic enemies. Claire Wolfe nailed it when she opined, "America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." We're not 'going there' any time soon, so what can we do to exercise our will?
At the present moment, a last ditch hope has suddenly appeared. Maybe, just maybe, we can elect a man to office who is just as pissed off as the rest of us. Maybe, just maybe, this man, flawed as he is, will get into the White House and begin the terrible project of laying waste to all that's eating away our substance and liberties.
Maybe, just maybe, enough Americans will look into his eyes and realize he truly means business - and ensure his victory in the coming election. Maybe, just maybe, the doubting 'purists' among us will do the same, and will come to realize that it's not possible to govern from a purely ideological standpoint, when the very foundation stones of the country are crumbled like an ancient ruin, and the barbarians are running amok throughout the land.
Americans are in a pre-revolutionary mood. The natural equilibrium of the nation is upset. We can't endure much longer in this off balance state. Something's got to give, and it will. Each and every one of us must recognize that fact, and use our God given power of reason to choose the wisest path forward.
Wisdom would indicate that Donald Trump is a man that conservatives should support in dire times such as these, as he supports and defends the foundational, structural concepts and ideals that made America the greatest nation in human history. He's running away with the Republican primary, precisely because he's conservative where it counts the most.
“Remember when that used to be enough to call a man “conservative”? Now these people want attachments added to the basic life and religious issues, to such a degree that no one anywhere, who is not openly a holy roller may serve their cultish tendencies. It will never stop. The goal post will forever be moving. It is suicide.”
Here is the money portion of that statement:
“...to such a degree that no one anywhere, who is not openly a holy roller may serve their cultish tendencies.”
THAT ASPECT IS CENTRAL TO THE REAL ISSUE THAT THE CRUZ SUPPORTERS HAVE WITH TRUMP ... To them Conservative = Holy Roller.
If you are one who “wears his religion on his sleeve,” making a public display of how “morally upright” you are (think of the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican), then you just can never be a TRUE conservative. You must be a Trojan Horse, an infiltrator, insincere, etc ...
SO, the truth is that more than a few of these rabid-rant Cruz supporters are religious bigots. I guess my reference to the Church of the Purists was closer to the truth than I may have first appreciated.
It's not just that. Trump is a liberal. A progressive. A big-government establishment statist.
You can throw as many tantrums as you want, and try to recast the truth into some kind of "it's a new day, we need a populist strongman, conservatism isn't working anymore, we need new solutions" meme as many times you want.
I'm not buying any of it.
I understand that Constitutional conservatism is what this country needs to keep it from going all the way down the drain. That basic truth, that guiding principle hasn't changed simply because some progressive showman took the stage and TOLD you it's changed.
I will not vote for Trump under any circumstances, nor will I be seduced by his empty promises and endless lies. I am a Constitutional conservative, and I'm not going to change.
And I'm far from alone. There are so many people who refuse to support Trump. The time has come to wake up and make the informed, reasonable, logical choice---Ted Cruz.
Thanks
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