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How exactly will Cruz get anything done when everyone in Congress hates him? [vanity]

Posted on 01/21/2016 10:03:02 PM PST by springwater13

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To: springwater13

By leading and getting the American people behind him.

Leading isn’t about being loved by congress.

Congress had no love of Reagan either. He appealed to the people and made things happen.

It actually pretty simple.


61 posted on 01/21/2016 10:44:07 PM PST by DB
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To: springwater13

First as we’ve seen with Obama, the bully pulpit of the presidency is a powerful tool.

Second, people talk like this is a bad thing. I for one would like to see it difficult for the establishment to push bloated unconstitutional crap through as law.

It is simple: pass a law that is remotely constitutional and remotely conservative and he’ll pass it.

If people are concerned that we won’t get enough trillion dollar omnibus spending bills full of pork that we cannot afford, or huuuuuuge transportation bills that for some reason legalize forty-fifth trimester abortions and billion dollar slavery reparations, I’m not feeling it.


62 posted on 01/21/2016 10:44:17 PM PST by Reaper19
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To: nickcarraway

Because you are so popular Nick.


63 posted on 01/21/2016 10:44:21 PM PST by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittancez)
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To: tallyhoe

The only Constitutional Scholars that matter are those that are Supreme Court Justices, and even some of them aren’t Constitutional Scholars.


64 posted on 01/21/2016 10:44:30 PM PST by PJBankard (It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory. - Gen. George Patton)
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To: tallyhoe

Not one of them would call their opinion original intent either. They have no authority to change that birthright requirement... We the people need to call them out on their lies!


65 posted on 01/21/2016 10:45:30 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

One of the most conservative people in congress that held the line as well as one man can and you say his career is over and you call that a win and cheer.

And you wonder why the rest of us conservatives doubt your motives with Trump... Hmmm...


66 posted on 01/21/2016 10:47:38 PM PST by DB
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To: springwater13

IBTZ, prolly late to this thread...


67 posted on 01/21/2016 10:51:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: springwater13

Use his pen and phone! Duh!


68 posted on 01/21/2016 10:51:42 PM PST by Lockbox
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

By the way:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/12/american-conservative-union-releases-its-annual-ra/


69 posted on 01/21/2016 10:52:26 PM PST by DB
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To: springwater13
Let's examine the thesis of this vanity: Ted Cruz, a Republican president, will not be able to get "anything done" because the Republican Congress "hates" him but Donald Trump will "get what he wants" because he will ask for 3X as much.

What insight! Why hasn't any president thought of this before?

Instead of asking for three times his secret goal, Cruz will go on television and call liars liars and make his case to the American public on radio. I thought Ronald Reagan went over the heads of Congress and made his case to the American people. I thought he revived the Saturday radio talks. I thought Ronald Reagan was widely admired for going over the heads of the antagonistic Congress, usually a majority Congress from the other party, to "get what he wants."

But then getting the people behind an idea is really getting what people want. What we will get with Donald Trump will always be what Donald Trump wants.

I don't think any of us are going to like very much what we get because we will not like very much with Donald Trump wants. His supporters think he wants deportations and closed borders and a robust military. They might get that but they would get that with Cruz. More likely they will get a wall and a chaotic arbitrary re-admission regime. What they will get that they might not like is big government, crony capitalism, bailouts, subsidies for biofuels and sugar and everything else that might strike the Donald's fancy. From a man who favored TARP, Obama's bailout, the bailout of the automobile companies, we are very likely to get a very strong dose of Donald Trump's personal crony capitalism.

His supporters think they will get "really great deals" from foreign countries on trade but what they might get is a devastating trade war.

Trump's supporters have no idea what they will get with Donald Trump because they have no understanding of the man's core philosophy. They are chasing shiny objects.


70 posted on 01/21/2016 10:54:03 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: tennmountainman

You like Tennessee whiskey?


71 posted on 01/21/2016 10:55:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: BillyBoy

Ping to garbage.


72 posted on 01/21/2016 10:57:22 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: onyx
"Congress won’t be smooth sailing for either President Trump or President Cruz

BECAUSE

Congress actually despises both Trump and Cruz."


The candidate they hate most should be vice president.
73 posted on 01/21/2016 11:02:15 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
Cruz won’t have to worry about that. His political career is over.

I don't get it. All he had to do was play nice with Trump a few more weeks, then walk away with consolation prize of VP AND president a few years from now. But no... He blew it. I was counting on him as VP to keep Trump on the straight and narrow constitutionally.

74 posted on 01/21/2016 11:12:14 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: nathanbedford
While your tireless advocacy for Ted Cruz is laudable, and acknowledging your predictable antagonism for Donald Trump, you seem to be analyzing this process in more theoretical than realistic terms.

In order for either Cruz or Trump to win the Presidency, they must get elected by a national electorate that is not in any way dominated by purist conservative Republicans.

Realistically speaking, and without putting excess dependence on "polling", I think that it is Donald Trump who has captured the imagination and pulse of the American electorate, and who has the momentum and the wind at his back.

I personally believe that Trump's path to a general election victory is much broader, and Cruz's much more difficult.

If electability is the only consideration, I think that the advantage is Trump's.

But, additionally, given the momentum factor, the charisma factor, or the interest factor, I think Trump also has the advantage here as well.

Cruz's strength lies in his ideological integrity, if you will.

Though I prefer Cruz ideologically, I honestly don't believe that his ideological integrity will be enough to sway enough voters to win a general election.

Trump deserves the national lead that he has, especially in the face of his "missteps".

Trump will appeal to a much wider swath of voters, and will make electoral inroads into traditionally Democratic demographics.

That, combined with the leadership Trump has shown, the huge enthusiastic crowds, and in general the overall momentum, outweighs other considerations, IMHO.

Ted Cruz isn't going to achieve frontrunner status by default! he will have to seize on something. But it is Trump who has broght focus to the issues Americans care most about.

Cruz's "steady wins the race" strategy probably would have been effective in many election cycles, but I don't think that will be enough this time around.

But Rah! Rah! Rah! keep up the cheerleading...

75 posted on 01/21/2016 11:14:07 PM PST by sargon
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To: PJBankard

The Supreme Court won’t touch this with a ten foot pole.. They think it is political!!! The only guy that can sue Cruz is Trump, the republicans running in the race or one of the Democrats running.. They all have standing however that guy in Texas don’t!!!


76 posted on 01/21/2016 11:18:21 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: springwater13

Well .. the TRUTH is .. there are quite a few people in Congress who support Cruz.

Once again, we have caught Trump in a LIE about Cruz.


77 posted on 01/21/2016 11:19:20 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: Just mythoughts

Not one of them would call their opinion original intent either. They have no authority to change that birthright requirement... We the people need to call them out on their lies! The Constitution is vague on what is a natural born citizen. However they look at British common law which said that any subject born abroad to British Citizens wer a natural Born and that is where we got our Natural Born Clause in the Constitution.. 14 amendment changed it again..


78 posted on 01/21/2016 11:22:17 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: PJBankard

You mean calling McConnell and everyone else in Washington stupid and incompetent makes them love you?

Trump used to think highly of Cruz just a couple of weeks ago and now he’s eviscerating him.

I’m starting to see a pattern that I don’t like. A lot of us were very willing to overlook his past praises for Obama, Pelosi, etc. thinking he had seen the light, but with some of his recent actions I could see him falling in love with Obama and Pelosi all over again. There doesn’t seem to be any solid foundations beneath this man... and I was all ready to support him.


79 posted on 01/21/2016 11:24:37 PM PST by aquila48
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To: tallyhoe
If the 14th Amendment changed the presidential requirements then why was the language not changed. Look at your constitution it still reads as original intent, Natural born.. Is still the requirement. It does not say revised by the 14th amendment..
80 posted on 01/21/2016 11:31:53 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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