Posted on 01/22/2016 7:46:56 AM PST by Isara
That’s it?! I had hoped better from you, maybe even some credible evidence that would give me reason to reassess this. No evidence and you just pronounce him a false prophet! I discern this, you are just repeating what you have heard others say and if you had any actually source evidence you would provide it in a flash, but there isn’t any evidence from any of his accusers, there never has been.
I am not going to judge and condemn a man based on what a group of people with doctrinal differences says with no evidence, or a group of people who just repeat what the first group says about him with no evidence either.
We will be held accountable by Jesus Christ for our words here on earth and accusers of the brethren are not a group I will join.
I have heard Bickle preach and have read his teaching, and know good faithful and wise Christians who are affiliated with IHOP, none us discern his falseness, but I do discern the falseness of the accusations against him.
I don’t hold Mike Bickle up to be perfect; but neither is your denomination, or all your doctrinal beliefs, and all those you consider true teachers and true prophets. I am well aware of those who judge Godly men like Mike Bickle without evidence, they expose their hearts with the way they it. I know who they are and where they come from. Always the same group of people from the same collection of churches, denomination.
Here is one of John Park’s charges against IHOP. “Cultic worship style.” I have no respect for a man who would say such a thing, and even though I have not been to the IHOP affiliated church here in a year and a half or longer, I think I will go and worship the King of heaven and earth Jesus Christ, there soon. I denounce John Park as a liar.
May you have ears to hear the Lord and turn from such ways.
Your reckless strong condemnation of a brother, deserves strong words to you.
You judge and condemn the man publicly but won’t personally provide evidence why you judge and condemn him. Instead you say, “here go read this guy.” No thanks! I have looked into this before BECAUSE I DO want the truth, unlike you who just repeats what others say. Where is YOUR research on this? No where, you just take others word on it, when none of them provide any source evidence. Do you understand what source evidence is? It does not sound like you do.
I do not care what others say about Mike Bickle or who they are. I DO care what Mike Bickle says and if he has said false things there will be verifiable source evidence of him saying something false. I have never seen any in any of the times I looked into this. Now which one of us two wants the truth?
Then you falsely judge me saying, “ I obviously have no concern for truth or God’s word.” Proves my point...only those who agree with you, are concerned for truth or God’s word. This is how you judge and condemn people. You can deal with Jesus Himself, brother.
Further it is a lie that Mike Bickle teaches the or a prosperity gospel message. Quite the opposite, and further proof you are completely misinformed about what he does preach. Your sources are false, they are liars. If Bickle preached a form of the prosperity gospel I would have nothing to do with him. I have heard him preach and read his teaching, and have gone through his teachings list online, and know people who have been listening to his preaching and teaching for many years...not one of them would have anything to do with a man preaching or teaching the prosperity gospel. (There is more than one prosperity gospel BTW and some who speak against it have their own form of prosperity gospel). So another lie which you just carelessly repeat.
I tried to have a reasonable conversation with and asked for evidence of what you claimed with a open mind that maybe you could present something I haven’t seen or didn’t know about Mike Bickle and if that had happened I would have faced it honestly and reevaluated my thinking on him. Instead I got insults and false accusations about myself. Good job brother. /sarcasm
You couldn’t provide truth so you insulted me and accused me of things which are not true. I count 10 insults you direct at me, like you know me ... you don’t know me at all! You just don’t like I won’t follow you down the garden path of judgment without evidence. Look at yourself as Paul says, judge yourself at what you are doing. See the huge log in your eye evident right here in your last post, before you judge others.
As for IHOP worship music, you have never been there to judge it. I have worshiped in an IHOP affiliated church and seen the worship live online at IHOP.org ... I worship Jesus alone and discern IHOP people worship Jesus. I don’t use yoga nor am I hypnotized when I worship Jesus. What an ugly untrue thing to say.
I leave you now to stew in your mess, may God give you in His kindness, a heart leading to repentance.
The Holy Spirit says, to leave a door open for you, so I will. If you want to have a reasonable conversation without insulting me because I don’t agree with you on everything, let’s start again. I will only accept credible sourced evidence that a brother or sister is false. I don’t care who someone is or how important they think they are if they can’t provide honest evidence I will not accept it and they are wrong from the beginning. Either way, God’s peace and blessing to you, and may we both walk in all God’s paths; love, kindness and truth .. all three not just any one or two of the three. Psalms 25
This completely befuddles me.
WHAT ON EARTH do you people think the electoral value of all these pastors and other evangelists coming out for Cruz is?
When have you ever, ever, ever elected a candidate in a national or statewide race using this strategy? How many races have you lost?
And this from followers of a being who told you, right up front, that His kingdom was not of this world.
Those are true words right from God Matt 24 .. and they need to be applied to those that fit the signs contained in those verses, not applied otherwise.
I could take those verses and say they apply to one of the people you listed a couple of posts back, that does mean it is true about that person.
It would be better if two brothers were able to reason together on something they don’t start out agreeing on. Maybe we can catch up in heaven but I doubt it will matter to either of us there or to Mike Bickle who will be there with us. I know only the Lord knows who will be there and we will be surprised in some cases but I don’t have any reason to believe either of you two won’t be there.
I will be there.
You left out the scripture where you get to decide who is false and who isn’t.
I don’t follow any of those people you mention BTW, nor do I judge anyone based on your say so alone.
I guess we are done.
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