Posted on 01/28/2016 10:11:03 PM PST by Nachum
Which LEO shot first, and was it the guy behind him?
I didnt read further down; you answered my questions.
His hands are up, LEO in front shoots first, his hands go down in reaction to having been shot, then go back up, LEO in back then shoots, and his hands come down again.
You can. If you want to go to prison for a long time.
NO MEDICAL BACKUP present
Great observation.
This was a hit.
Hands up, too.
No rubber bullets.
Tase. Then kill.
0bama and the Left are pleased.
Murder
The longer version is really telling!
I don’t think that was a snowball on the windshield of his truck. Was he shot at when he was stopped earlier before he took off? It appears he jerked both his hands to his ribs before he reached for the shoulder holstered pistol with his right hand. I don’t think I could keep my hands up if bullets were entering my ribcage. Very hard to tell. If this is the FBI’s defense, they haven’t proven their story to me.
If his friends keep insisting he was left handed and armed himself thusly they are not helping as it looks positively different than that.
5.56mm
Leaving a secure location to travel on unsecured roads, one has to expect to be interdicted, assurances to the contrary notwithstanding. The gov’t is allowed to lie to you; they will.
Once you’ve initiated a confrontation/violence (running the traffic stop), your options are limited.
Of course they put a roadblock on a blind curve. The idea is to put the driver into a situation where he MUST stop.
I’m sure the command once he was out of the vehicle was “put your hands up and DON’T MOVE!” just like the cop told the Ferguson thug. Doing anything different is going to end badly. This includes being shot in the back if it looks like you’re going for a weapon.
Tasers are not reliable against heavy clothing.
The police can manipulate the circumstances so that they hold all the cards and your choice is to surrender or die. None of this should surprise anyone.
Flame on.
I think many involved in this discussion are being diverted from thinking critically about the bigger picture: What actually happened and why?
When you consider what the arrested people were actually charged with — conspiracy to impede or injure officer — you can see that the Feds had to reach pretty far to create a justification for their actions against people who acted on deeply held Constitutional beliefs, and the State of Oregon didn’t have anything plausible either.
US Code Title 18 Section 372
If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.
Really? What has been most accurately described as a “sit-in”, conducted by people who declared openly that they would only legally defend themselves if attacked are guilty of what, exactly? Pretty weak sauce. But it gives the media idiots something to parrot when the talk is about “armed militants” arrested “on felony charges”.
Think, people. The particular actors and actions will be overly scrutinized and debated until everyone has opinions about the details but have lost sight of the bigger issues. And who or what, exactly, benefits from that outcome?
Shrillary and billary benefit (uranium mines)
Did they use US Code Title 18 Section 372 against the OWS & blacklivesmatter?
Double standard ...
Feds murdered Mr finicum.
There was a guy with a vidcam; hopefully someone gets —that— vid and puts it out there.
Actually JT, Bob was countering the posters sarcasm. The poster was giving Bob the “you have no case but call the law with your non-case anyway” bit.
I don’t care what the politicized Supreme Court says regarding this. I believe stopping people in random checkpoints are wrong and unconstitutional.
Get it?
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Hasn’t the SCOTUS established rules for legal checkpoints? I always see notices in the media when there is going to be a checkpoint.
Seems to my that if this guy was black and he was shot as he was per what we see on the video - we would have black lives matter riots.
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That's a stupid place to put a roadblock unless it is for an ambush. I am no expert on this of course.
I respectfully disagree with that particular assertion (about the shrew and her alleged rapist partner) but not because I believe otherwise.
I was thinking more about a general benefit, like how the political class enablers of governmental misconduct are happy to look the other way when “problems” are removed from the headlines. It happens at all levels, local to national, and those who want to maintain the status quo — for whatever reason — are quick to embrace story lines that obscure what most reasonable people would conclude is actually selfish or “evil” behavior.
I won’t ever disagree with the admonition to “Follow the money”, but I do realize there can be other motivations as well. (It’s also rather unfortunate that so many in the “media” act as promoters of the ‘preferred’ narrative).
Plus autopsy results. Video is indistinct.
An audio of witness Victoria Sharp aired on the radio show “Ground Zero” Wednesday night. “Ground Zero” is broadcast week nights from Portland, Ore.
In the audio, an emotional Victoria Sharp stated that Mr. Finicum exited his vehicle with his hands up. He turned toward the armed men and said, “Are you going to shoot me? Go ahead then, shoot me!”
Ms. Sharp said that LaVoy Finicum was then shot three times, and, when he was on the ground, the “law enforcement” officers walked up to him and shot him three more times.
The host of the radio show said more than 120 rounds were fired at the vehicle carrying the other men.
I don’t know if this is the way it all went down, but this is what was aired on “Ground Zero” the other night.
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