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Uncomfortable Question for Ted Cruz on Obamacare Silences the Room
NY Times ^ | 1/30/2016 | Matt Flegenheimer

Posted on 01/30/2016 10:24:06 PM PST by jennychase

HUBBARD, Iowa — Senator Ted Cruz is often asked about doing away with President Obama’s health care law. He is rarely pressed by voters on what will replace it.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; 2016election; abolishobamacare; cruz; cruzabolishobamacare; cuattheinauguration; obamacare
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To: jennychase

Maybe Cruz’s answer should be “It will be fabulous. I will end Obamacare and I promise you the change will be tremendous! You will love it! Trust me, it will be a huuuuuge improvement and everyone will be happy.


41 posted on 01/31/2016 6:39:38 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Wissa

How about if the brother had pitched in to help buy insurance for him ? What if the brother had been able to take a tax deduction for doing so? What if the doctors and health care facilities would have been able to take a tax deduction for the time and services that were not compensated?


42 posted on 01/31/2016 7:01:20 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
How about if the brother had pitched in to help buy insurance for him ? What if the brother had been able to take a tax deduction for doing so?

With a free market system, the insurance companies can refuse to issue a policy to anyone they decide they might lose money on. There would be no insurance for anyone to contribute to or take a deduction for.

What if the doctors and health care facilities would have been able to take a tax deduction for the time and services that were not compensated?

Since they're taxed on net income, that already happens, whenever they have uncompensated costs.

43 posted on 01/31/2016 7:08:33 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Slyfox
Your friend is correct. Health care is no different than any other good or service you might need. The issue is twofold. First, for basic medical services you want to eliminate the bureaucracy and lack of price transparency in the current "health insurance" system. That would dramatically lower costs for everything. If a doctor no longer needs to hire three assistants to handle insurance paperwork those savings go directly back to the patient.

Second, we need to get back to basics and understand that insurance is for things that are unlikely but potentially catastrophic. You buy fire insurance not because you expect to burn down your house, but because you know that if that were to happen it would represent a catastrophic loss that you couldn't afford. Similarly, true health insurance is to cover major expenses that you hope you never have to incur. Scoped that way, annual premiums would similarly be dramatically lower and affordable by all.

44 posted on 01/31/2016 7:39:09 AM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: AustinBill
You make great points. We don't need a new plan. We need to peel back the layers of government intrusion.

Likewise, the government involves itself into college loans and voila the price of college goes up and the student debt balloons.

I am sensing a common theme to government involvement.

45 posted on 01/31/2016 8:36:01 AM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: DoodleDawg

“Why don’t we just realize that our healthcare system is what it is, it isn’t going to change, and anything government does is just going to make it worse? “

Meaning leaving obmamacare in place exactly like it is now with no changes at all until the entire health system collapses? Seriously? Not even the Democrats are advocating that.


46 posted on 01/31/2016 8:38:36 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman
Meaning leaving obmamacare in place exactly like it is now with no changes at all until the entire health system collapses? Seriously? Not even the Democrats are advocating that

No, I mean repeal Obamacare and do nothing in place of it. Anything the government could do will either accomplish nothing or make it worse.

47 posted on 01/31/2016 9:30:14 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Kirkwood
Yess, tort reform. It is the damn lawyers that have caused healthcare costs to skyrocket in the first place.

About half the states in the country already have enacted tort reform capping the payouts for malpractice suits. In most cases this has resulted in a reduction in malpractice insurance rates but I'm not aware of any study showing that it also reduced healthcare insurance premiums.

48 posted on 01/31/2016 9:41:21 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: jennychase

Give everyone the Senate healthcare that Ted and the other 99 cronies in the Senate get. It’s easy to spend the taxpayers money for yourself.


49 posted on 01/31/2016 9:46:24 AM PST by r_barton (We the People of the United States...)
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To: DoodleDawg

Yes, cancel Zerocare and outlaw health insurance and force doctors and hospitals to charge what people can afford to pay. Let the market set healthcare prices instead of insurance inflating costs above what any average worker can afford.


50 posted on 01/31/2016 12:52:41 PM PST by ez (Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is... - Milton)
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To: ez
Yes, cancel Zerocare and outlaw health insurance and force doctors and hospitals to charge what people can afford to pay

Government mandated prices. Where has that been tried before?

51 posted on 01/31/2016 1:03:58 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Jukeman

IIRC: The Obamacare deal was supposed to take the place of the old system that put a charity onus on hospitals that accepted Medicare. Providers with all of 6 months’ financial lookahead capability eagerly jumped on the idea. Now they would get paid for these former charity cases. One political wash cycle later, the hospitals found that Obamacare took away more than they figured.


52 posted on 01/31/2016 1:56:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Wissa

Some sort of super-economy safety net could be in order, if the screams for equality can be ignored.

Efforts to improve on that could be assigned to private charities. St. John’s Church might have a deal better than Caesar’s, but it’s not forced on anyone, it is up to the church, and the church can choose its own terms like no abortion, etc.


53 posted on 01/31/2016 1:58:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s unfortunate because govt handouts are so corrosive to private charity.


54 posted on 01/31/2016 1:59:51 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Since nearly everyone of the 10.5 million who signed up for Obamacare are on Medicaid, sign them up for Medicaid.

A lot of the uncovered people under the old system, were unemployed who were no longer covered under their old employer's plan.

One solution would have been for unemployment insurance to automatically cover them with Medicaid, until they got a new job. But that would have eliminated much of the rationale for Obamacare.

55 posted on 01/31/2016 2:01:23 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: nascarnation

I’d propose to someone like Trump (or even Cruz if against all appearances that pans out) to turn charitable deductions into charitable tax credits, up to some very generous limit, with minimized exposure to government regulations.

Caesar’s pseudo-busy bees are not going to like this very well, but even forcing them into more productive jobs are going to help the country.


56 posted on 01/31/2016 2:03:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Wissa

Wrong because the resources they devote to his care could be used to increase gross income by serving paying patient. Likely it should be a tax credit to serve under-insured.


57 posted on 01/31/2016 5:53:57 PM PST by gusopol3
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