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TRUMP: not a liberal or a conservative, but a pragmatist
Intellectual Froglegs ^ | 2/5/16 | Mychal Massie

Posted on 02/08/2016 6:47:05 AM PST by bigtoona

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To: Hawthorn

Very good


61 posted on 02/08/2016 8:22:58 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: bigtoona

“As a pragmatist, Donald Trump hasn’t made wild pie-in-the-sky promises...”

Universal healthcare.


62 posted on 02/08/2016 8:23:28 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: bigtoona

There is no such thing as not having an ideology. You have to make a choice on every single issue. Women or gays in the military? Pro-life or pro-choice? Low tax or high tax? Expand NSA surveillance or limit it? Go to war with a country or don’t? Close government agencies or leave them open? Open relations with Cuba or don’t? Subsidize ethanol or don’t?

There is no such thing as a “pragmatic” approach. Pragmatism can only be used as an excuse to not take responsibility for what your beliefs and ideology are.


63 posted on 02/08/2016 8:25:52 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: bigtoona

Pragmatist = Rudderless


64 posted on 02/08/2016 8:25:54 AM PST by nitzy (I don't vote for Republican'ts)
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To: bigtoona

Trump is right on trade, right on immigration, right on the 2nd amendment, right on GOP corruption.....and without those NONE of the rest of it matters. And the best thing....

Trump is NOT a lawyer! Our founders wanted CITIZENS elected to serve. Trump is the only one on those stages who can be called...MISTER!


65 posted on 02/08/2016 8:26:05 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: bigtoona

Trump is a pragmatist. The people supporting him are something else.


66 posted on 02/08/2016 8:26:33 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Nacho Bidnith

Ted won the election in Iowa.


67 posted on 02/08/2016 8:26:53 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: JediJones

“Ted won the election in Iowa.”

Let’s talk on Wednesday.


68 posted on 02/08/2016 8:31:35 AM PST by Nacho Bidnith (America is a country founded by geniuses and run by idiots. Trump 2016)
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To: skeeter

“We need a Constitutionalist.”

Who can win in the fall against the RATs. Barring that, I’ll vote for the pragmatic Trump, who is not a puppet for the establishment.


69 posted on 02/08/2016 8:35:55 AM PST by TheStickman
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To: don-o; trisham

Unless you want to help with our FReepathon, please keep your opinions limited to the subjects of the various threads you visit.


70 posted on 02/08/2016 8:36:01 AM PST by onyx (IF YOU'RE POSTING HERE, HOPE YOU'RE A DONOR! FReepLoaders are RUDE.)
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To: Nacho Bidnith

Republicans haven’t had a candidate who won New Hampshire and didn’t ALSO win Iowa go on to win the presidency since Reagan in 1980.

We can only hope if someone other than Cruz wins NH, that he does not become our nominee, because he’ll be a sure loser.


71 posted on 02/08/2016 8:43:07 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: TheStickman

Cruz outpolls Trump against the Democrats in every poll.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html


72 posted on 02/08/2016 8:44:26 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: onyx

If you do not care about the optics that partisanship produces for fundraising appeals, I cannot help you.

I did notice that after I complained about it several days ago, they had disappeared.

Do as you wish.


73 posted on 02/08/2016 8:47:30 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory. And He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

Well...let’s see...

1) Generously donates to Democrats including Harry Reid’s and Nancy Pelousy’s campaign committees in 2006. Is that really necessary to erect high rises in Manhattan?

2) Supported single payer health insurance, abortion on demand, including late term abortions.

3) Supports tariffs

4) Supported same sex marriage.

5) Told Tim Russert in an interview that he has “New York values”-—Ted Cruz did not make that up. DT said it himself.

6) Supported BHO’s wasteful Porkulus

I could go on. Whatever DT is or is not, he is more of a loudmouth than he is a conservative. He has never been a movement conservative.

If we were to apply the same standards to judge Donald Trump as we would any other Republican politician here on FR, he would definitely fall into the RINO category.


74 posted on 02/08/2016 8:49:38 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
3) Supports tariffs

This isn't really a Left vs. Right issue. There are conservatives (Jeff Sessions, etc) who support tariffs just as there are labor Democrats who are pro-tariff, although they support them for different reasons. You can say the same thing about foreign policy: interventionism vs. "isolationism" is not a Left/Right issue since there are people from the Left and Right sides of the aisle both for and against various foreign wars and interventions.

75 posted on 02/08/2016 8:52:15 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: JediJones

For now this is true. I still don’t think he can win come the fall. Plus he’s beholden to his donors. Trump won’t be PC when talking about whoever the RAT is.

Cruz’s answer regarding waterboarding sealed the deal for me being against him in the primaries. Obviously, if he wins the nomination I will vote for him.

Till then, Go Trump!


76 posted on 02/08/2016 8:53:16 AM PST by TheStickman
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To: bigtoona
And a winner. Donald Trump, with all the flaws that people like to point out, is still a real-world winner.

I'm angry, listening to our current Lecturer-in-Chief tell us we suck in this country. That we are the reason behind all of the world's problems. And that our failing economy is bustling and doing great. And that our foreign policy has solved all of the world's hotspots. Lie upon lie upon lie.

And I am sick and tired of listening to the two new losers on the scene, Sanders and Clinton, tell us that we don't pay enough in taxes so all of the deadbeats can get free sh*t and, as a result, our national debt needs to double or triple to make all of these losers in society comfortable at the expense of all the hard-working, taxpaying folks.

And I am pissed that Republicans keep foisting upon us the weakest candidates there are and who can't beat the cheating democRATS. And when they do lose, they crawl user the covers with the RATS and act like they are working hard to do the bidding of their constituents. B.S.

So I agree with this author. Trump is a pragmatic businessman who has a history of making things happen. Of solving problems. Of getting it done. I cringe at his comments sometimes, but I don't let that obscure the fact that this guy is the best opportunity this country has had in a long time, to save our ass from continued failure.

If you are looking for another Ronald Reagan or conservative perfection in this campaign, you won't find it. I will support the problem-solver.

77 posted on 02/08/2016 8:56:05 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: ek_hornbeck

What about the other issues?

Tariffs are taxes. If you support higher tariffs you support higher taxes.

Higher tariffs don’t solve anything.

Lower taxes and tariffs solve just about everything.


78 posted on 02/08/2016 8:56:43 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: bigtoona
I'll bet he can make the trains run on time.

Liberal "pragmatists" would like to apply eminent domain to everything, everywhere, all the time.

79 posted on 02/08/2016 9:08:04 AM PST by Theophilus (The GOPe are dealers. The Marxist Democrats are duelists.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Tariffs are taxes. If you support higher tariffs you support higher taxes. Higher tariffs don’t solve anything.

Tariffs are taxes, but they put the burden of taxation on foreign corporations and on US companies who outsource rather than on capital that remains in the US. If high tariffs could be used as an offset to reduce/eliminate income or corporate taxes, that would solve many problems.

As to the other issues, I agree that Trump has done a lot of about-faces on more issues than you can count, which is why I don't really trust him. As I've said before, I'm undecided on Trump vs. Cruz, neither are perfect or completely trustworthy, but I'll vote for whoever gets the most delegates by Super-Tuesday and the best shot at stopping Rubio or whatever other establishment candidate is at the top of the pack. I still trust Trump to do the right thing more than I trust Rubio or Jeb.

80 posted on 02/08/2016 9:12:57 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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