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Low gas prices signal economic downturn elsewhere
WLS-TV ^ | February 08, 2016 | Laura Thoren

Posted on 02/08/2016 10:41:41 PM PST by george76

Gas prices in Chicago are still falling, but the price at the pump is having a negative impact on the economy.

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as the cost to fill up your tank goes down, could this also be a sign -- the economy is tanking? Commodities trader Scott Shellady thinks so.

"It's bad for everybody. We are going to lose one-fifth of the jobs we created in 2008," said Shellady.

And he doesn't expect a market rebound anytime soon. So if you were hoping to cash in your 401K or IRA and retire in the next year, Shellady says, rethink your plans.

"The stock market is going to take a long time to recover. We need something new to boost the economy," Shellady said.

(Excerpt) Read more at abc7chicago.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Maine; US: New York; US: North Dakota; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: coal; economy; gas; gasprices; jobs; oil; waroncoal
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1 posted on 02/08/2016 10:41:41 PM PST by george76
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If gas prices were plummeting due to a decrease in demand that would justify pessimism. But my impression is that they are dropping due to increase in supply, which would make this article a farce. Am I wrong?


2 posted on 02/08/2016 10:46:12 PM PST by Another Post-American (Jesus died for your sins.)
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Petroleum is only one segment of a healthy economy. Countries (and terrorist groups) who rely entirely on the proceeds from oil sales stand the most to lose.


3 posted on 02/08/2016 10:47:20 PM PST by SpaceBar
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Of course the economy is tanking. But try to explain this to the idiots who brag about saving $2 on a tank of gas.


4 posted on 02/08/2016 10:52:14 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: george76

Any possibility that this is the trial balloon instead of the truth...


5 posted on 02/08/2016 10:53:13 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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Stock bubble v. Oil glut


6 posted on 02/08/2016 10:54:02 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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To: george76

$1.29 in central IN today.


7 posted on 02/08/2016 10:54:23 PM PST by digger48
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One problem with low gas prices. It will encourage stupid local governments to add even more taxes to gas.


8 posted on 02/08/2016 10:56:33 PM PST by r_barton (We the People of the United States...)
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Lack if business and required transportation.

Yeah, it’s demand. Other supply has caused some, and now Iran is going to be jumping in, I think with the oil they export.


9 posted on 02/08/2016 10:59:51 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: r_barton

Yep - and idiots who vote FOR it.


10 posted on 02/08/2016 11:00:19 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: digger48

I paid $2.79 here in California. Would not know what to do if the price was $1.29. Wow.


11 posted on 02/08/2016 11:01:02 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Another Post-American

The economy is collapsing as seen by the Baltic Dry index, M2 money supply, the labor force participation rate , etc..

The price of oil is down because of over production globally. When the US refineries go into re-tooling to get ready for summer blends, as mandated by the government, they will buy less oil temporarily, too.


12 posted on 02/08/2016 11:04:49 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Another Post-American
If gas prices were plummeting due to a decrease in demand that would justify pessimism. But my impression is that they are dropping due to increase in supply, which would make this article a farce. Am I wrong?

Demand is dropping in China. China's bursting bubble will drag us down economically. (The dollar will be a safe haven, which will buffer the US somewhat.)

And yes, supply is also high. But why? It's because demand dropped, causing the OPEC countries to scramble and break their cartel, which means violating the cartel's production limitations. Increased production causes an increase in supply.

It's also true that technical advances like fracking have added to supply, helping to spark that feedback loop even more.

13 posted on 02/08/2016 11:05:58 PM PST by Persephone Kore
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To: ozzymandus

Many people are losing good paying jobs , plus more existing businesses are closing than new ones starting, as the economy is collapsing.

>> Of course the economy is tanking. But try to explain this to the idiots who brag about saving $2 on a tank of gas.


14 posted on 02/08/2016 11:08:24 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

California taxes on a gallon of gas

State excise tax 39.5 cents per gallon
Federal excise tax 18.4 cents per gallon
10 cents per gallon for cap and trade fee
State/Local Sales Tax 7.5% to 10% depending on area

So that’s 67.9 cents per gallon tax, before the 7.5% to 10% sales tax.

I live in California, also.


15 posted on 02/08/2016 11:15:24 PM PST by r_barton (We the People of the United States...)
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That would force many oil production & related : transportation, construction ... businesses to also close, lay off their employees, default on their bank loans, and cause some banks, restaurants, retail stores ... to downsize or close, too.

>> encourage stupid governments to add even more taxes to gas. [ Barry already promoted that idea ]


16 posted on 02/08/2016 11:15:52 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: r_barton

and diesel taxes that truckers pay when hauling food , etc. resulting in higher food & other prices.


17 posted on 02/08/2016 11:19:05 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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The free market has ups and downs, subject to the whims of the marketplace.

Hong Kong is a little island state, previously British, now Chinese. They have no oil, mines, or timber. Yet they have a thriving economy. Why?


18 posted on 02/08/2016 11:19:17 PM PST by SpaceBar
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Free enterprise, lower government regulations / overhead, etc.


19 posted on 02/08/2016 11:21:05 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: r_barton

So you can figure in California, with the current price of gas, about $1.00 per gallon is tax.


20 posted on 02/08/2016 11:22:30 PM PST by r_barton (We the People of the United States...)
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