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I think we're being miss-directed by the word, "conservative"
self | February, 10, 2016 | knarf

Posted on 02/10/2016 12:10:07 PM PST by knarf

Most Americans are not THAT demanding of a strict definition of conservatism


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KEYWORDS: conservatism; conservative; trump
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To: Hot Tabasco

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101 posted on 02/10/2016 1:44:08 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: SkyDancer
nahhh ... too skinny

/8^)

102 posted on 02/10/2016 1:45:56 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Olog-hai

Consider that God elevated Obama to president to wake up a sleeping nation. Suppose Obama was the answer to many prayers pleading for a return to God revival in this country.(the Lord moves in mysterious ways) Now, suppose Trump can defeat the evil of political correctness, a bane to Christians. Empowered once again, we can take back and restore some sanity to our society. My faith isn’t in Trump. My faith is in God and We, the People but it takes a human leader to inspire others and lend courage.It’s up to us.


103 posted on 02/10/2016 1:46:15 PM PST by upsdriver (I support Sarah Palin.)
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To: knarf; All
"I think we're being miss-directed
by the word, "conservative"...."


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104 posted on 02/10/2016 1:46:34 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: upsdriver
I start these threads because I know FReepers are intelligent and have something to say and we ARE influenced (to a degree) by each other

Thank you for your reply

105 posted on 02/10/2016 1:50:12 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Reaper19
What good is if it has been hijacked by Free Traitors™, the open border Cheap Labor Express and has also been corrupted by K St. cash. What happened to pro American policies instead of pro international stockholder policy? The word Conservatism has no meaning.

How can anyone calling themselves Conservative run for President with a straight face and be for TPA, increasing H-1B's 500% and Corker amendment?

Question everything FReepers the Establishment facade is falling down because the PC mortar holding it togehter is crumbling under the weight of Trump.

106 posted on 02/10/2016 2:03:44 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: knarf

Just curious, do you like mac and cheese dinners?


107 posted on 02/10/2016 2:05:59 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Dear Santa: Please find a home for every homeless and unwanted cat and dog that is suffering)
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To: knarf
your last post

That's a pathetic attempt to support a conservative philosophy that does not exist!......Sheesh

I believe in the right to purchase the most salty potato chip that appeals to my pallet.......If you don't then you're definitely not a Conservative........

108 posted on 02/10/2016 2:14:32 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Dear Santa: Please find a home for every homeless and unwanted cat and dog that is suffering)
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To: knarf

Now knock it off or I shall taunt you again!


109 posted on 02/10/2016 2:17:20 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Dear Santa: Please find a home for every homeless and unwanted cat and dog that is suffering)
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To: Lagmeister; Reaper19

I am a Cruz supporter I will start there.

Trump fired up the immigration debate by talking about the wall. No one can deny that it probably would have been a secondary issue, after the economy if he had not done so.

Let’s be completely honest:

Trump and Cruz both have come a long way to the right from where they both started, before the campaigns, not all that long ago.

Trump once said that Romney’s self deportation was cruel, and Cruz said once that there should be a way to legalization (but mot citizenship) after a long (25 year?) waiting period. I think if that happened, citizenship would be lobbied for buy the Dems and the Cheap Labor crowd. Not a great idea.

Trump and his son have both publicly stated during this campaign that they would expedite the return of the good ones after deportation. That could start a hailstorm of good ones entering the country, knowing they will be expedited back legally, a shortcut. Not a great idea.

Cruz has been slammed for his H1B policy of the past, which was not a great idea. Now he has agreed to stop the practice, due to its abuses, until things have been sorted out. Cruz has also said that if illegal, no citizenship ever.

Trump said ban Muslims until we sort this thing out. Cruz said ban people coming from terrorist controlled nations, until we can sort this thing out. Both will be difficult to enforce. People will say they are not Muslim, or come in from non-terrorist controlled countries, and still have the capacity to do harm. Good ideas, not perfect.

Both men have come farther right, more conservative on immigration over time.

Neither have 100% perfect solutions, and both had to travel a ways to get here, but both are a lot better on this subject than anyone else running for President, and pretty close to one another, when you get down to it.

If this is the number one issue, both are very strong here. Not much difference between the 2 in their current positions.

Having stated that they are both strong on immigration why I like Cruz as my number one pick is for the more for some the other conservative principles.

Smaller government, fighting federal government power and overreach,devolving power back to the states via 10th amendment, strong 2nd amendment rights, individual liberty, including religious liberty, taking down federal regulations and subsidies (like ethanol) to allow more competitive situations, anti-abortion, the constitution as the framework, etc.

Not slamming Trump, I like him, just stating why I like Cruz a bit better.


110 posted on 02/10/2016 2:24:59 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.)
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To: knarf
That was "around" not "round"

Thribbit!!

111 posted on 02/10/2016 2:29:04 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: GrouchoTex

thank you


112 posted on 02/10/2016 2:29:38 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

You are quite welcome.


113 posted on 02/10/2016 2:31:08 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.)
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To: Olog-hai
Lies against the Founding Fathers and lies against Reagan

You know, we may have hit upon the typical Cruz fan, one who is completely ignorant of colonial history and equally ignorant about Reagan.

Let's start with Reagan. So, you say I am lying that Reagan put a 100% tariff on Japanese electronics in March of 1987 (as would trump but not Cruz)? Really? It's a fact, and I'm no liberal but you are ignorant of the facts. And, you say I am lying that Reagan in 1983 didn't solidify Social Security - part of which was a deal to raise the payroll tax? Really? It's a fact, and I'm not liberal but you are ignorant of the facts. I Strongly suggest you read up on Reagan instead of just listening to the constant name dropping from people like Cruz.

So, let's look at colonial America: political hacks who rewarded donors and lived off of the tax payer where non-existent. Read the autobiographies of Jefferson and his letters. They were pragmatic people beyond the singular attribute of piety. Trump would be at home in that environment whereas Cruz would be held in suspicion. I am not a liberal but you are ignorant of the facts.

114 posted on 02/10/2016 2:45:35 PM PST by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: Lagmeister
You seem to have a fondness for labeling. Not consistent with US conservatism, with all due respect.

Not even the NY Slimes agrees when it comes to the tariff, which they say was on “some” products, and in retaliation for Japan’s refusal to comply with a semiconductor agreement signed with the USA in September of 1986, whereupon they engaged in what was called “chip dumping”.

The only source I can find for Reagan instituting a payroll tax increase is Paul Krugman. And he only indicates payroll tax as a percentage of government revenue.

Since pragmatism equals liberalism (the end justifies the means), and the very notion of pragmatism originated around the middle of the 19th Century, Jefferson was no pragmatist. If he were a pragmatist (or a proto-pragmatist), he would never have opposed the inordinate power given to the Supreme Court, which he rightly pointed out was continually “driving us into consolidation”, further criticizing the fact that its members were appointed and saying that “(i)t should be remembered as an axiom of eternal truth in politics that whatever power in government is independent is absolute also”.
115 posted on 02/10/2016 3:19:38 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: tumblindice

Always spreading bread on troubled water, that’s me.


Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days. Ecclesiastes 11:1. The biblical order to make stuffing.


116 posted on 02/10/2016 4:45:47 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Lagmeister
Then why did Cruz fight so hard to stop the gang of 8 bill in the senate if it's just what he wanted? Any president who would enforce the laws on the books as they written would be a vast improvement over the situation Obummer has put us in.
117 posted on 02/10/2016 4:50:51 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: knarf

See my tagline. That’s how I’m feeling about it.


118 posted on 02/10/2016 4:53:08 PM PST by Larry Lucido (I'll support Trump as a second choice, and I'll get on my knees and pray we don't get fooled again.)
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To: Lagmeister
They were pragmatic people beyond the singular attribute of piety.

Give me Liberty or Give me death isn't exactly pragmatic, neither is risking fortune, family and life in exchange for freedom. Pragmatist tend to say that a few extra pennies for tea isn't worth dieing over.
119 posted on 02/10/2016 4:57:09 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: knarf

“If he builds the wall and closes the immigration door to muslims ... he will have accomplished more than any president since Kennedy.”

Heck, if Trump wasn’t running and Bernie Sanders made a credible case for the above, I’d be wearing a Sanders tee-shirt to work every day.

(now that should get my stalkers here going, LOL)


120 posted on 02/10/2016 5:50:45 PM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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