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The Craziest GOP Debate of The Cycle: Trump Defends Planned Parenthood .....
Townhall.com ^ | 2/13/2016 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 02/15/2016 4:57:40 AM PST by Servant of the Cross

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To: Servant of the Cross

“Never thought that I would see the day where Christians are mocked on FR for supporting life. Or that the matter of the very bedrock of Conservatism ... the unalienable right to life ... would be rationalized away.”

Haven’t you heard? Conservatism isn’t important any more. Principles aren’t important any more.

The only thing that counts is high poll numbers. Just ask him.


81 posted on 02/15/2016 6:37:42 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: beandog

Name calling = zero credibility.

Go Trump!


82 posted on 02/15/2016 6:39:53 AM PST by TheStickman
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To: VanDeKoik
I just checked the Planned Parenthood homepage. Abortion is listed #4 on their list of services. Most of the other services are involved with safe sex and STDs. For me, personally, I'll never be fond of a group that enables self-destructive behavior, but that's not the point. The point is we have to win people over.

It seems totally reasonable to say "drop providing abortions to keep your funding". It's a win-win. Either they stop providing abortion or they lose their funding.

Isn't that how good deals are made?

83 posted on 02/15/2016 6:45:09 AM PST by grania
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To: GailA

You never answered the question. Business loans are different than being paid directly.

So you are fine with her making $800K/yr from Goldman Sachs. Sorry, I don’t trust any of them including Saint Cruz.


84 posted on 02/15/2016 6:45:46 AM PST by bray (Trump/Palin 2016)
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To: randita

“I just don’t trust groups like PP who sell baby parts to provide these services and definitely don’t support federal funds going to a group which has no moral compass whatsoever.”

The bottom line is this; the decision to commit murder is the sole responsibility of the murderer when it comes to their soul. That includes abortion. All the prevention and laws in the world can’t prevent sin. A Christian’s sole responsibility is to preach the forgiveness of sin through Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. It is not to set one’s self up as judge and jury in worldly affairs.

John 21:20-22
“Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said “Lord, who is going to betray you?) When Peter saw him, he asked, Lord, what about him? Jesus answered, If I want him to remain alive until I return; what is that to you? YOU must follow me.”

It’s for you to follow your convictions. To criticize Trump is your right. But be careful about condemning whole groups of people to judgments that aren’t yours to hand out. You most likely sit in the same church with people that have done worse deeds than Trump. God only knows; you do not.

Planned Parenthood is just like the knives in your kitchen. It takes a murderer to make them a murder weapon. Perhaps a better strategy for all of us would be to reach those who don’t think abortion is murder before they condemn themselves. There are efforts underway to require that a mother look at her fetus on ultrasound before making the commitment to have an abortion. This puts the decision to commit murder squarely on the shoulders on which it should rest; the murderer herself. Many excuses for wrongdoing will hold up in earthly courts that will absolutely not save lost souls in Judgement.

Donald Trump has changed his views on many things including abortion, but isn’t allowed that privilege by some holier than thou Christians. My opinion is that they will be judged according to their own methods just like Scripture says they will.


85 posted on 02/15/2016 6:49:31 AM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Elyse
Uuuhhh....Heidi earned $700,000 a year. A big part of her job involved globalist economic ventures. She's on leave; she didn't resign. In an active role in the campaign, she solicits campaign donations from G-S employees.

Trump received loans for them (or not, I'll accept your research). He pays them back with interest.

How does that argument help Cruz? FWIW, one of the items on that very high pile of stuff that's turned me against Cruz is that Heidi is on leave, so still influenced by them. Is she fair game as a campaign issue? Yes, since she's actively involved in fund raising.

86 posted on 02/15/2016 6:52:40 AM PST by grania
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To: SoothingDave

Another Cruz supporter excuse for dishonesty!


87 posted on 02/15/2016 6:54:43 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: kjam22; beandog

He also forgot oft-confused, ignorant and incoherent... :-)


88 posted on 02/15/2016 6:58:31 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Cruz '16!)
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To: Lakeshark
What he ACTUALLY SAID, didn't bother me a bit, I thought it was a smart division. No abortion. Only real women's health issues.

So how does that work?

Is there one Planned Parenthood bank account for condoms and one for killing babies?

Does Trump understand how businesses work?

Is he stupid?

Is he playing to the Left for the general?

Or does he just not care?

89 posted on 02/15/2016 7:05:21 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: PreciousLiberty

And foul mouthed, cradle robber, dishonest, cheap labor, carnival barker.


90 posted on 02/15/2016 7:05:33 AM PST by kjam22 (America needs forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: silverleaf
It doesn't matter whether one uses "the exact quote" or not.

To defend anything, anything at all done by Planned Parenthood is to defend and support infanticide!

Planned Parenthood has broken so many laws as to be stunning if it weren't a fact and to defend forcing every American through their taxes to give Planned Parenthood one dime is criminal.

Anyone running for the highest office in the land who defends a bunch of folk who refuse to report repeated child rape (if you were a teacher and didn't report this, you'd be in jail); they abort babies well beyond the "cutoff" date; they solicit children at school and even run their "clinics" at some schools; they treat children who've gotten venereal disease (again a crime not to report) without parental notification - all with OUR MONEY!

................ and Donald Trump supports giving them MORE MONEY!

91 posted on 02/15/2016 7:09:37 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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92 posted on 02/15/2016 7:11:52 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Trump or Cruz, if you don't vote then STFU and leave the country, non-voters =non-Republic.)
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To: grania

I think its a choice of getting most of the loaf today, or getting nothing and “feeling righteous” to some of these guys.

Stopping the abortion funding now is 95% of the mission.


93 posted on 02/15/2016 7:17:35 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Aleya2Fairlie
Planned Parenthood is just like the knives in your kitchen. It takes a murderer to make them a murder weapon.

Hmm. I thought Planned Parenthood was an organization made up of humans who have free agency in deciding how to act.

I didn't realize they were inanimate objects.

Trump's continued support for PP shows that he does not understand the issue at all. Which isn't all that surprising since his "conversion" is rather new, if it actually exists at all.

How about we don't elect a recent "convert" to be leader?

Let Trump prove himself to have a conservative record doing something, anything else in a lower office before making him our savior.

94 posted on 02/15/2016 7:19:32 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Servant of the Cross

Thank you, Katie, for making my point which I posted Sat night during the Debate...
The govt has NO business funding PP or anything like it...
Except VA/military hospitals ....


95 posted on 02/15/2016 7:23:41 AM PST by matginzac
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To: Daveinyork

Exactly....and, ummm, would you say mammos are for women’s health?
Guess who doesn’t offer them.....


96 posted on 02/15/2016 7:25:56 AM PST by matginzac
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To: jimbo807

You’re right...
Let’s all just chuck the Word of God, Commandments, Faith, the whole ball of wax and just worship Ba’al and chew peyote buttons....


97 posted on 02/15/2016 7:31:27 AM PST by matginzac
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To: grania

Or a great Super Bowl commercial by Doritos showing a baby in utero as a Real Human Being!
Hey, you can’t do THAT!


98 posted on 02/15/2016 7:33:12 AM PST by matginzac
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To: matginzac

That absurd retort is not a refutation of the rampant hypocrisy among evangelicals. Peyote was a nice touch, though.

Perhaps instead of railing against the world, you could try cleaning out the inside of the cup.


99 posted on 02/15/2016 7:34:01 AM PST by jimbo807
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To: Servant of the Cross
Here is Ducking Donald dodging and deflecting when asked about his views on late-term abortion. And this was on January 28 of this year!

Trump freaks out when asked about abortion again

And people wonder why conservatives do not trust this arrogant clown??

100 posted on 02/15/2016 7:44:44 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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